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<p>Wow that's a lot of responses :0 I'm short on time again, so I just skimmed through those.</p>
<p>snuffles - I'm trying to articulate my PERSONAL opinion that Ivys are better than Tufts. You're all nameless, faceless people to me, so I could really care less if you are "insulted". The internet is actually one of the only places where people could express true free speech, so why not do it? All I'm saying is the truth, and the statistics back it up. ;)</p>
<p>bluirinka - Actually, I have only called one of you an Ivy league reject, well because, she really does look like one. Also where did the term "Tufts Syndrome" come from?</p>
<p>The rest of you - Sure, you could compare Tufts with Harvard and the rest of the Ivys, saying that "they are all really competitive schools." But I could just as easily compare UMASS with Tufts, and say that they "are all top tier schools," or "the admissions proccess is competitve at both schools." Many of you, in other threads, have said how Tufts was better than "lower" schools such as NYU, BC, BU, Etc.. Does it really come as a surprise to you when someone comes and states that Harvard is better than Tufs?? Oh and I have already acknowledge how good the international diversity is at Tufts and how prestigious their IR program is, saying that it's better than Harvard's. So why are you guys trying to argue with me about it??</p>
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a) is a big-name school, and b) is more selective than Cornell, and over the next few years will probably fall in line with UPenn and Dartmouth for acceptance numbers.
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a. Actually my interview for Tufts, an alumni, openly admitted to me that Tufts was a regionally famous school, then telling me that it was the quality of education that mattered, not prestige. Point is, Tufts' name could not even compare with hte Ivys.</p>
<p>b. I don't think so ;)</p>
<p>c. Over the next few years will fall in line with UPenn and Dartmouth?? Are you kidding? Tufts went down from 28 to 25% this year, but Dartmouth also dropped by a few points. I cannot say whether Tufts will eventually evolve into the best university in the world, but a few years?? common..</p>
<p>Anyways, nobody will base their decision based on what we say or not say on an internet forum, and I have been wasting too much time on CC over the past two months. So you'll all be happy to know that I probably won't be responding to your inflamatory posts often anymore ;) But by all means, keep posting. I love responding to this rediculous stuff. :)</p>
<p>^ You cannot even spell properly, it's "ridiculous". Comparing UMass to Tufts is "ridiculous", comparing Tufts to Harvard is not, as they're both top-tier and UMass is not...</p>
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snuffles - I'm trying to articulate my PERSONAL opinion that Ivys are better than Tufts. You're all nameless, faceless people to me, so I could really care less if you are "insulted". The internet is actually one of the only places where people could express true free speech, so why not do it? All I'm saying is the truth, and the statistics back it up.
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<p>That's fine. I pity your petty pride as your "truth" and "statistics" are presented in a logically flawed manner. Your words hold no weight as you're convincing no one, but you are succeeding in making yourself a fool. It's not a discussion when you only hear the sound of your own voice; adding a smiley face at the end of your sentences doesn't validate the sincerity of your 'opinions,' it accentuates your immaturity. If you have nothing to contribute to this forum, then leave. This thread needs to be closed.</p>
<p>hey Ph0enix. I'm not trying to argue over semantics or anything (i type very calmly from a chair in Brown and Brew, lol), and I don't feel like scrolling back through threads to find it, but was it you who told me that I was lying about getting into Columbia or someone else? If it's someone else, then my apologies 100%. If it was you, then I was the second person lol</p>
<p>This argument needs to come to an end...</p>
<p>Phoenix, take a look inside the Princeton Review Best 351 Colleges & you will notice the admittance numbers for Cornell v. Tufts. I'm just using facts versus heresay :) that's how the world works. </p>
<p>Second, It does NOT matter if the general public knows or does not know a school - yeah, everyone knows Harvard, in the same manner that everyone in the Commonwealth knows Oxford and Cambridge. That does NOT mean that other schools are of lesser caliber. In the job community/graduate school community, schools like Tufts, Bowdoin, and Georgetown are highly respected by those who are academic and know. As was stated, it is the QUALITY of the program, not just a general name. Tufts works well b/c it has both the elite name (big in the academic community, not ma & pa's store down the street) and the elite-school academic qualities such as top programs across the academic spectrum. As per my previous statements, all of the 25 or so "elite" institutions use the exact same qualifiers - it's merely a matter of what each school wants at a particular moment in time for a spot in their class. Take a look at those students who were waitlisted or denied from Tufts/GU/Bowdoin/Wellesley etc. with almost perfect SAT's and good EC's...Severely flawed media rankings are irrational and have long been disregarded by the bulwark of the academic community. As I have stated before, for where it matters - jobs, grad school, "prestige" (if you're that shallow) - these top 25 schools, Amherst, Bowdoin, Tufts, Harvard, Wellesley, Brown, JHU, GU, etc. will all get you to where you want to go for success. & no, UMass is not in the same league - The schools we are talking about Phoenix take less than 30% of applicants - from a largely self-selecting pool to begin with. </p>
<p>Now, this petty debate needs to find closure! Phoenix - here's my advice to you - read a proper book on the subject of highly selective colleges, speak with teachers and professors, not your next door neighbour about schools, and stop with the sophomoric posts - they merely highlight your niavete and immaturity. </p>
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<p>Duffman - I'm sure I could find plenty of spelling mistakes in your 1000+ posts as well :)</p>
<p>snuffles - I dont expect anyone to make their college decisions based on what we say on an internet forum. But if anything, you guys are hurting Tufts' matriculation rate with your "Tufts is better than Harvard" thing.</p>
<p>My statistics are presented in an illogical manner? I don't think so. I think you're the one who's saying that people "often" turn down Ivys for Tufts without any statistics to back you up. Correct?</p>
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I did do those things, maybe you should yourself??</p>
<p>Oh, and why did you set the cut-off line for acceptance rate of "top-tier, elite" schools at 30%? Could it possibly be because that Tufts' is around 30%? Why not 50%, 20%, 15%, or even 10%?</p>
<p>blurinka - I never accused you of lying. I just said that I could not possibly imagine turning down Columbia for free.</p>
<p>okay, no worries. my bad.</p>
<p>ETA: hey WorldbandX, while I'm with you in spirit, I kinda have to point out that generally I think Cornell's unusually high acceptance rate (for an Ivy) stems from the fact that its other schools, such as ILR, Hotel and Agriculture/Life Sciences are much higher than that of the College of Arts and Sciences. If my memory serves, Cornell's acceptance rate for CAS is something like 11%, just as selective as other comparable institutions.</p>
<p>bluirinka your correct (I just did a little search on their webpage). My point was not whether Cornell was more or less selective, but rather that, in the long run, there are few differences between the academic caliber of the top 25-30 schools in the US (of which no one can question Tufts is a part of), and that arguing over a couple of (and we are indeed talking about a marginal # of points here) percentage points is really quite trivial - as the top students who go to one of those schools could do well at any of them - it's just what one of the elites want/need/feel like on a particular day for their class. Thus, geo residency, minority status, etc. come into play. </p>
<p>Phoenix - the only reason I set it @ roughly 30-35% is that JHU acceptance rate is 35-36% and Wellesley is @ 40~ish %, and they are both considered to be "Elites." So it was a rough estimate - but you should get my drift. - the reason schools like Harvard and Yale have lower acceptance ratings is that, b/c their names are generally known to the masses, they get roughly 6,000 more apps than Tufts and 8-9,000 more than JHU. </p>
<p>And with this, this debate should be ended.</p>
<p>You guys are just repeating the same things over and over again, and I'll respond the same way:</p>
<p>There is a between the #1 school and the #27 school (on USNews), just like there is a differance between the #27 school and the #60 school(like BU, Purdue, etc..), and just like there is a differance between UMASS and community colleges. I dont see how you guys could bash "lesser" schools like BU, BC, and UMASS, and then be so edgy when someone says that Harvard is clearly better than Tufts. Harvard is much more selective than Tufts: there is no point in denying this.</p>
<p>First off, I have never denied that Harvard is more selective, but I would hold short of saying "Much more", just more. The SAT's, etc. are very comparable. Now, as I and several others have stated repeatedly, rankings such as USNews that are media-pandering and populist driven have long been written off by academia - how is it that a school's academic qualifications could flunctuate on the chart every single year??? (which they do on this chart)School reputations just don't do this. Also, how is it that a school like UM which accepted over 50% of applicants be considered higher than Tufts on the chart, but with lower scores, ec varieties, etc.? I think you've missed my point - not that Harvard takes fewer students than Tufts/Amherst/GU etc. (which of course it does) but that they are all part of the top-tier schools that will lead students, all of whom are top-qualified, to successful careers, as they all use the same/similar rigorous qualifiers, then throw in their own needs. By the way, Phoenix which schools did u get into? And please, don't give me a sophomoric rant - this forum is supposed to be helpful, not a debate. END IT.</p>
<p>William & Mary is in a very similar predicament. Very well known among professionals/highly educated, but isn't going to wow the common person. Really, it's about being happy, and campus fit, so whereever you are comfortable you should go there.</p>
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<p>LoL why don't YOU and your Tufts buddies "end it"???? All you have to do is not respond anymore.</p>
<p>My top three schools that I got in are Rice, Notre Dame, and NYU Stern. But see, unlike you, I am willing to admit that Harvard is much better than all of them, because well, it's the truth. :)</p>
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<p>Also, how is it that a school like Tufts which accepted over 25% of applicants be considered higher than Harvard on the chart, but with lower scores, ec varieties, etc.?</p>
<p>Again, everything is comparable, and I'm sure you'll all be successful in life. But Harvard is better than Tufts, just admit it ;)</p>
<p>Mightymeals - you're right-if you were a WM grad, and you were applying to a good grad school, they would take a serious look at you. See, you understand.</p>
<p>Well, his point would be that Tufts is not, in fact, higher than Harvard on the rankings.</p>
<p>I will agree with you that YES, HARVARD HAS A BETTER REPUTATION. But our point is that - and please, everyone, object if I'm wrong - it is not. necessarily. better. for every. single. individual. in the world. This strange across-the-board Harvard > Tufts is now just getting ridiculous. We will concede that Harvard is more well-known and thought of as "better" by the uninformed and informed alike if, I suppose, you are willing to consider the idea that Tufts may have characteristics that are more appealing to certain people.</p>
<p>I'm not trying to perpetuate the debate or anything, btw, I'm just trying to reach a compromise lol.</p>
<p>Mightymeals - Def. with you on the WM thing. WM also loses points for being so prevalently Virginian. BUT it has the most gorgeous campus!</p>
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<p>Why would you, or the other people here, say that Tufts is "better" than UMASS then?</p>
<p>WM def. has a beautiful campus. It IS Colonial Williamsburg :) Everywhere you turn is a picture moment. Seriously.</p>
<p>that's actually a pretty good argument. But I know also that many believe UMass's engineering program outstrips Tufts'. Also, you might want a bigger school or a party school, in which case UMass is for you.</p>
<p>By the way, Ph0enix, I gotta say that despite some irreconcilable differences, you have been a trooper throughout this debate. You've for the most part stayed good-natured and aren't flat-out CRAZY and uninformed like lots of other debaters I've seen on CC (lol, that hotivyleaguewannabechick comes to mind). I may not agree with you but for the most part I respect you lol</p>
<p>ETA: Oh, and also, good job for not going crazy when some people did make unfounded attacks on you :-D (if I at any point was one of them, I did not mean to come off that way)</p>
<p>bluirinka you are a forum comprimise queen. I think that your last post was a great one and will hopefully help stop the broken-record that has been on repeat for the past week. </p>
<p>PS- I think that Kentucky State is better than North Dakota State. Let's debate for a month about it... </p>
<p>...KIDDING!</p>
<p>hahahahahahahahha :bows:</p>