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So if you don't know these students, you don't really know Berkeley, and if you know them, then you really know Berkeley. So one is either ignorant or agrees with you. Makes sense to me.
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<p>Well, I didn't want to say it so explicitly, but, basically, yeah. Seriously, if you've been at Berkeley for awhile and you haven't noticed some undergrads who just aren't serious about becoming educated, then I would have to say that that may be because you don't WANT to notice them. It's like somebody from East Oakland claiming that there's no crime there.</p>