U Illinois to recruit more OOS

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<p>ugh man post the article please, you have to be a member</p>

<p>He is right. You have to be a member to view it. Please post the article.</p>

<p>There are some free articles from other media outlets that have the story.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-uofi10.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-uofi10.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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okay, that's the original article!!!</p>

<p>I hope it's ok to post on this now. You probably aren't going to get a stronger opinion than mine, but I am totally in favor of what UIUC is doing. I admit I have very little compassion for those 1,000 incoming freshmen who will be excluded from UIUC in years to come. The simple truth is that UIUC is just returning to levels it was at and wants to be as good as other big 10 universities, which it is reputed to be. Many would argue that those bottom 1000 students don't belong there in the first place because they wouldn't have made it in previous years and are just an anomaly of rising yield rates and a system's inability to cope. As an Illinois resident, I can attest that a) UIUC is not "the nation's premier public university" LOL. I'm pretty sure they meant state's premier public. b) The students who are "declaring less popular majors to improve their chances" do not belong at a top 50 university because they are not only academically underqualified for the school, but morally underqualified for engaging in such a deceitful scheme. No student in Illinois has to pay out-of-state tuition at a big 10 school for a decent education. The University of Illinois at Chicago is arguably on par with all OOS big ten publics (save Michigan and Wisconsin). I think counselors and students alike have to just suck it up and realize that the top 10% of a high school class is an attainable goal for just about anybody if they put in enough work, and if you don't have the discipline or the drive, too bad.</p>

<p>think counselors and students alike have to just suck it up and realize that the top 10% of a high school class is an attainable goal for just about anybody if they put in enough work, and if you don't have the discipline or the drive, too bad.----How could you say that. What about the number of students who are LD who have to work extra just to attain that goal.</p>

<p>When is this in effect? Will they try to raise their OOS from 10 percent to 15 percent starting this coming fall? I hope so. What are your thoughts?</p>

<p>Isn't the goal of a public university to educate the students of the state? </p>

<p>Illinois is a pretty good school to begin with, I think along with Texas/Washington/Ga Tech/some others, it makes up another group of fine public schools. However, I do agree this strategy will help their US News ranking. That is all that matters, anyway.</p>

<p>Illinois is screwing over its students for "prestige." Pathetic...</p>

<p>wow, heavenWood, i cannot disagree with you more.</p>

<p>Oh come on, "Screwng over?"</p>

<p>for prestige, or for $$$$'s?</p>

<p>I'm sorry, but as a state university, the UIUC has a responsibility to put Illinois students first. If there is space left for out-of-state students, fine, but putting them over Illinois residents? If I lived in the land of Lincoln, I'd be furious!</p>

<p>I think there are good educational reasons to have a broad mix of students at any university. Certainly the state students should get priority but not all the funding comes from the state. Federal money helps pay for the research and buildings and financial aid.</p>

<p>It's simply for money purposes. It's a smart idea from their standpoint because more money will be going into their pockets, and they can use that not only to help themselves, but to help the college by getting better teachers, better resources, improving things, etc..</p>

<p>It's bad for us Illinois residents, even though I got accepted, I would be mad if I was say a freshman or sophomore in high school.</p>

<p>Haha, bearsfolife, I love your handle bro. It's not "bad for us illinois residents". It may hurt those 1000 who have to go to UIC instead (and it's almost of the same caliber anyway, you can get an awesome education there), but at the same time it's going to benefit those 6000 who matriculate much more if they have a smaller, more intellectual, more diverse class to interact with. I agree with those of you who have stated that UIUC has the obligation to educate Illinois residents, but don't you see that's what they're trying to do here? By your reasoning, they should just let everyone in because it's their "obligation". See, if we follow your reasoning to its logical end, we have to accept everyone, but then everyone gets a bad education. Clearly there is a fine balance in educating many and educating well, and the UIUC administration (which has far more expertise than any of you) happens to think that ideal balance is back around 6,000 per class, not 7,000. Again, most every student has the capability to be in the top 10% of their high school class (yes, even LD students, who just have to work that much harder, and if they still can't achieve that after their best effort, they'd probably be miserable at a school as demanding as UIUC anyway), so there's no excuse in saying you got shafted by the system. You just didn't try hard enough. Face the consequences.</p>

<p>They've been doing that for years for Engineering and Business, two of the most selective and arguably the best colleges in UIUC. Here are the % non-residents admitted for the last 5 years:</p>

<p>% non-residents
incoming
Freshman........2005.....2004.....2003.....2002.....2001</p>

<p>Engineering ... 18.8%...23.0%...24.7%...22.8%...26.2%
Business ....... 15.7%...17.7%...17.4%...10.9%...11.3%</p>

<p>It's about time they bring up the admission standards for the other colleges.</p>