<p>I love police, especially when they act professionally. </p>
<p>It is because of police and my constitutional liberties that I am able to speak out about an injustice that I feel needs more attention. </p>
<p>There are many threads on CC. Ignore the ones you dislike. Thanks for bumping up the thread.</p>
<p>Funny how people hate the cops until they need them…</p>
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<p>Have a look at “Psychopathy, Machiavellianism, Risk-Taking and Career Preferences” by Kinner, Mealey, and Slaughter. It was done in the University of Queensland, and has been my bible for “risk management” for years.</p>
<p>Here is a quote:</p>
<p>“Consistent with the notion that psychopathy is associated with risk-taking, those who scored highly on measures of psychopathy appeared to have a much greater interest in a career in policing. Presumably the excitement , the power, and the status of the job were attractive to more psychopathic respondents (Griffin & Ruiz, 1999; Reming, 1988). High Machs were also more often interested in this sort of career; this result may be explained by the strong relationship between Machiavellian views and psychopathy”.</p>
<p>There are other careers that attract high Machs/psychopaths. I make it a point, socially, to stay far far away from them too.</p>
<p>I also value my constitutional liberties. I don’t have a pathological hatred of cops. I understand, as you clearly do not, that they have a very difficult job to do and sometimes must make instantaneous decisions in high-pressure situations that you might not agree with. You’ve made your point, over and over. Move on.</p>
<p>Thank you Canuckguy#123. And don’t forget the sexual part.</p>
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<p>[Man</a> dies after Taser arrest in Cumbria | UK news | guardian.co.uk](<a href=“http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/17/man-dies-taser-arrest-cumbria]Man”>Man dies after Taser arrest in Cumbria | Police | The Guardian)</p>
<p>Major body-builder and possibly a roid head. Meh.</p>
<p>The last person in Britain to die after being Tasered was Brian Loan, 47, from Sacriston, County Durham, in October 2006. An inquest into his death ruled he had died of heart problems.</p>
<p>One every 5 years? Often have underlying issues. Not that alarming IMHO</p>
<p>Could be. Less violent country than U.S. However, how many were tased and didn’t die?</p>
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<p>Here is a nice article on politicians, another group with high Mach/psychopathic tendencies:</p>
<p>[Tony</a> Schwartz: Is Your Favorite Politician a Sociopath?](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>Is Your Favorite Politician a Sociopath? | HuffPost Latest News)</p>
<p>As you can see, “promiscuous sexual behavior” is a common characteristics of high Machs/psychopaths.</p>
<p>I am not surprised at all.</p>
<p>Thanks again Canuckguy. This information is probably in the DSMIV, also. Included is a link related to taser use in Canada, where use is more limited and controlled.</p>
<p>Barron, as suspected, there are many more taser incidents in England and Ireland, in addition to the two deaths you found.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science/cast/taser-figures-march-2010/taser-figures-march-2010?view=Binary[/url]”>http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science/cast/taser-figures-march-2010/taser-figures-march-2010?view=Binary</a></p>
<p>[UK-</a> Diabetic man receives compensation after Taser incident (and much more) (2010-03-10) |](<a href=“http://www.globalshock.org/?p=3654]UK-”>http://www.globalshock.org/?p=3654)</p>
<p>[Facts</a> about stun guns and their use in Canada - Canada - CBC News](<a href=“http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2009/03/18/f-taser-faq.html]Facts”>http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2009/03/18/f-taser-faq.html)</p>
<p>[Amnesty</a> International Canada || News Release](<a href=“http://www.amnesty.ca/resource_centre/news/view.php?load=arcview&article=4543&c=Resource+Centre+News]Amnesty”>http://www.amnesty.ca/resource_centre/news/view.php?load=arcview&article=4543&c=Resource+Centre+News)</p>
<p>[Tasers</a> ? potentially lethal and easy to abuse | Amnesty International](<a href=“http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/tasers-potentially-lethal-and-easy-abuse-20081216]Tasers”>http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/tasers-potentially-lethal-and-easy-abuse-20081216)</p>
<p>I suspect that police officers are probably more macho, typically, than florists. So what? What is the alternative? Again, if you don’t like tasers, what is the alternative? Magic wands? I think everybody would agree that police need to be well screened and well trained, and sometimes they aren’t. But even well-screened, well-trained, moderately macho cops will occasionally kill somebody, because they have to deal with dangerous situations.</p>
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<p>The “high mach” referred to by other posters is the personality trait of Machiavellianism, rather than “macho”.</p>
<p>You don’t think Machiavelli was macho?</p>
<p>You don’t think the two terms have different meanings?</p>
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<p>The thing is, not everyone can comply. A local case involved a man dying from being tasered…he was in insulin shock, confused, agitated, unable to follow directions. And hardly an isolated case.</p>
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“I suspect that police officers are probably more macho, typically, than florists. So what?”</p>
<p>I suspect that Canuckguy provided the two citations in #123 and #129 because of the following previous posts.</p>
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<p>Reality, huh? Got a cite for that?" #42</p>
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<p>To elaborate further on the personality profile of those in law enforcement - they are highly sexual. One could construe that this is due to a high testosterone level, but that might be considered sexist.</p>
<p>This personality profile applies to males and females in law enforcement.
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<p>[TASER</a> Seeks to Zap Safety Concerns: Scientific American](<a href=“TASER Seeks to Zap Safety Concerns - Scientific American”>TASER Seeks to Zap Safety Concerns - Scientific American), 2007</p>
<p>“The deaths in Canada, however, have some local politicians calling for a review of how the weapons are used, and some health care officials say these weapons are not nearly as benign as portrayed. A report released earlier this year by the Heart Rhythm Society, a Washington, D.C., organization of cardiac arrhythmia doctors and patients, found that electronic-control devices like the TASER may trigger “significant arrhythmias” in patients with pacemakers.”</p>
<p>[Facts</a> about stun guns and their use in Canada - Canada - CBC News](<a href=“http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2009/03/18/f-taser-faq.html]Facts”>http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2009/03/18/f-taser-faq.html)</p>
<p>"In Canada, however, Tasers are a prohibited weapon. Only one company can import them into Canada under a special permit, and they can only sell the devices to law enforcement agencies, said RCMP Cpl. Greg Gillis, who trains police officers in how to use Tasers. Each Taser sale is registered and tracked, much like a handgun, he said.</p>
<p>In 2010, 79 per cent of the company’s $86.9 million US in revenue came from sales within the United States."</p>
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<p>"In June 2008, Taser International lost its first civil suit. The company was ordered to pay more than $5 million in damages after a jury in San Jose, Calif., found that shocks from the company’s devices contributed 15 per cent to the Feb. 19, 2005, death of Robert Heston, 40. The jury found that Heston’s own actions, including toxic methamphetamine ingestion, were 85 per cent responsible for his death.</p>
<p>The jury determined the company was negligent for failing to warn police that prolonged deployment of the stun gun could increase the risk of cardiac arrest."</p>
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<p>Typical stupidity that we can expect from our country. Though the fact that it was in California says it all…</p>
<p>So in addition to a better alternative to tasers, you’d also like to suggest a better alternative to juries?</p>
<p>I’m just annoyed by this idea that the “personality type” who would go into law enforcement is “controlling and sadistic.” Again, what do you propose? If it’s better screening and training, fine. Otherwise, what?</p>
<p>"I’m just annoyed by this idea that the “personality type” who would go into law enforcement is “controlling and sadistic.”#139 Hunt</p>
<p>I’m also annoyed. Except, I don’t think you are annoyed by the fact that sadistic people have weapons, as I am. You are annoyed by the reality of the fact.</p>
<p>They should be outlawed, IMO. I know there are places in the US where they are not used.</p>