<p>@endlessrecession, I beg to differ. As one of the early Chinese students who came here (in mid 1980s), I can tell from my side that the purpose of us coming here was not for the Chinese government, but for the same purposes as for many other immigrants. One thing for sure is that the purpose of my posting here is to make you understand better about Chinese, not for the benefit of Chinese government, but for the true face of China and Chinese people. If you think that the Chinese from mainland come here just for stealing your so called “secrets”, then you may have to worry about the “invasion” of Chinese in every aspect of this country in the next 20 years. It is not because they out-smart but out-number others.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>So Chinese students are supposed to come here and not get any science/engineering knowledge? Really? </p>
<p>I think you’re confusing espionage with education.</p>
<p>
Ignorant and nonsense. You are still living in Mao’s era.</p>
<p>"The Chinese government is completely and totally despicable, there are no two ways about it. "</p>
<p>Ok Rush.</p>
<p>Anyhow, I think it is great that we have an increasingly diverse pool of students. That said, I have had to give over 10 D and F grades to students who did not have a grasp of English well enough to write at the college level. It was frustrating because I knew that these kids knew their stuff, they could just not express themselves in writing.</p>
<p>I think ewho is fully correct to write, “I can tell from my side that the purpose of us coming here was not for the Chinese government, but for the same purposes as for many other immigrants.” The great majority of Chinese international students and exchange scholars here in the United States are here to learn and to advance their professional development. There is an effort on the part of the government of China, as on the part of most governments, to learn about both open and secret facts of other countries. But although I think China’s government is particularly systematic about wanting to find out about United States technical know-how, I agree that the mainstream of Chinese students coming here are simply coming here for their own purposes. </p>
<p>It would be a happy result, I think, if some things that Chinese students learn here that seep back into China are a greater degree of press freedom, more protection for political dissent, contested elections, and a judicial system with vigorous defense of the accused. Trying to promote that kind of two-way learning opportunity is why I participated actively in the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars ( 全美學自聯 ) back in the era of the Tian An Men Square democracy movement in China.</p>
<p>
You sound like a tough teacher. I am sure that you gave 10 D and F grades to students who had a good grasp of English as well unless you teach English.</p>
<p>The 10 that didn’t pass should have withdrawn from the course.</p>
<p>Let me clarify it was not in one course. I has been over a number of years but I average about 2 per year. And my students have evaluated me as a “fair grader.” I am talking about sentence fragments, incoherent syntax etc.</p>
<p>@endlessrecession,</p>
<p>You are paranoid. Do you believe that UFO are actually Chinese made aircraft, sent to kidnap Americans and dissect their way of life? haha…your hypothesis is just as absurd as the UFO statement. China is well off with their scientific research without the need to “spy” on America. Where was America when China first created the nuclear bomb…in 1967, during the cultural revolution? Many students come to America to study, did not come for the government interest. They came for their own agenda. Chinese students don’t care about the Chinese government. As a matter of fact, I think that students that travel abroad to study so they can have more freedom to think, speak, and learn without government the “firewalls”.</p>
<p>^What do you expect from xenophobic sinophobes? </p>
<p>Regardless of how the government is or what people might think of it, I would think a major power like China has better intelligence gathering and electronic warfare capabilities than sending students to gather information.</p>
<p>A more important function of the “professional students” sent over by the government of China is to monitor the activity of the innocent students to frustrate development of politically dissident organizations.</p>
<p>Did that person call China an island?</p>
<p>@ LazyAznBoY - A higher level of intelligence and common sense.<br>
@ tokenadult - I don’t believe that they do that in America. In China, yes. But in America it is not really possible because the networks are too wide to monitor without setting off some type of suspicion, on both parties. And I doubt they would send those people here since the “politically dissident organizations” are usually held in the US not in China, where the vast majority of China’s populations are most likely blocked out from getting any information. And plus, I don’t think China needs to send any “professional students” here, when they can just hire people like endlessrecession to give them a hard time.</p>
<p>i have heard that some students pay for others to take their sat’s in china and since the elite prep schoools want students to get itno top schools they give them higher GPAS and better teacher reccom than other international students</p>
<p>…and plus many asians are smarter than me anyways LOL</p>
<p>that is true.</p>
<p>I think the leadership of China is well aware that a Chinese who studied overseas (I am referring to Sun Yat-sen) sparked a revolution in China. Maybe that will happen again.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>That tells you something about that person. :)</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Tokenadult — yea I’ve heard that China is being troubled by the recession … people who lose their jobs might take it out on the gov’t (and we’re not even talking about US schools transforming Chinese students into radicals)</p>
<p>@tolkenadult
The 1911 revolution was possible because of a weak Imperial government that had lost the support of the people due to foreign defeats, loss of territory and economic collapse. The CPC, while brutal at times, has strong support mainly due to the economic boom and China’s rising power. Unless there is absolute no political reforms in the next 3 decades or disastrous handling of the current economic recession, another populist revolution is highly unlikely to start, much less to succeed. I think the leadership of China is well aware of that and has already came a long way from the Mao days 30 years ago.</p>
<p>Regardless, this is a college admissions board not a political board.</p>
<p>@tolkenadult
China doesn’t need another Sun Yat-sen to have another political reform. Have you heard of the Charter 08? Most of the people that sign the petition have never been to a foreign school or travel out of China. There are many things that may change how China is govern in the next twenty or thirty years. Recession, health care, rich vs poor, education, technology, etc just to name a few. Similar to how those political leaders born in the 1950’s 60’s do not have similar mind set as those born in the 1800’s and yearly 1900’s, future political leader born in the 1970’s 80’s 90’s will not have the same mind set as those politicians who are governing China now.</p>
<p>wow this is a thread about colleges guys>.<</p>
<p>I personally think US schools are an attraction simply because it provides an alternative to the corrupt Chinese higher education. For the most brilliant, FinAid will make their US education cheaper than Chinese ones.</p>
<p>It appears that all discussions about China will turn into a political one within 20 threads=]</p>