Hmmm, you are supposed to take them in sequence. You will need to take the course out of sequence. You won’t get unit credit probably, but at least you have it done for transfer purposes. The fact that you are not IGETC will possibly make this less of an issue.
Does the equivalent R1B at your CCC say R1A is a pre-req? Maybe you’re lucky and it doesn’t. Anyway all you can do is just take it. Make sure you have units to cover it in case the UC does not give you unit credit. I assume they will give you subject credit, but how do I know?
Regarding a rejection solely based on that, I have no idea, but I doubt it.
Good luck to all the potential baby bears out there.
As someone who successfully transferred in this year, with a huge thanks to this forum, I hope to be able to share my experience and help others who have the same goal I had.
@goldencub While some other UC’s don’t care about extracurriculars, I assure you Berkeley does care. Of all the transfers I’ve met that were admitted this year, only a small handful (who were mostly one year transfers or veterans) did not have at least two concrete extracurriculars on their resume. “How the heck did I get in?” pops into my head when hearing about the sheer amount of EC accomplishments my fellow admits have. GPA matters more than ECs for sure, but completely ignoring ECs can, and probably will, come back to haunt any potential Bear.
@LopApo Definitely call admissions, but it’s likely you will have to take a transferable R1A equivalent out of sequence. A similar situation happened to me with the Math 16A and Math 16B equivalents for my major. I used Calc AB to skip Calc I at my CC and then took Calc II, but ended up having to go back and retaking Calc I to meet UCLA and UCB requirements since I only got a 3 on the Calc test. There were other options, such as taking a third party test for credit or appealing once your initially denied, but I was advised my multiple parties that just going back and taking it out of sequence for no credit is the easiest thing to do.
@lindyk8@SDGoldenBear Thank you for your replies! I’ll try to explain my situation a little better. I took English 110 at my CCC which is the freshmen-level English course. I then took English 201 which is the class that is listed on Assist as being equivalent to English R1B at UCB. English 110 is a pre-req for English 201 at my CCC. I would assume that English 110 is equivalent to English R1A at UCB but for some reason Assist does not list it. It just says that my there is no course articulated.
@SDGoldenBear Yes, Berkeley has holistic admissions, and EC’s are definitely a plus, but they aren’t wholly necessary. If one has a 4.0, all prerequisites for a major completed (Haas excepted), general ed completed, completed, they will probably get in. I think people generally have many EC’s simply because they want to, as many people who wish to transfer to Berkeley want to go above and beyond. They are not necessary, although they can certainly help. Academics is the priority for transfers. Freshman admissions are an entirely different beast - many 1st-year admits have to have a plethora of EC’s to even be considered, because Admissions wants applicants to be well-rounded and whatnot. It’s different with us - UC’s mainly want to see that we can keep up with college-level coursework, and consequently, EC’s are of minor importance. I personally know multiple people who got accepted as transfers to Berkeley with minimal to no EC’s.
I’m not saying that people shouldn’t pick up any EC’s at all, as it will look good to have some for future employment or graduate school, and there are many other benefits to having extracurriculars. I definitely endorse them, but to an extent - which is naturally when they begin to compromise academics. EC’s are good to have, but it is wrong to say they are necessary. Cal will admit a 4.0 transfer student with no EC’s over a 3.5 student with multiple non-extraordinary EC’s. Outstanding EC’s will likely benefit an applicant significantly, but this is the exception and not the rule. Academics should generally come before EC’s for transfer students.
@lopapo, what CCC are you at? My daughter took an English 110 course and transferred to Berkeley this year. It’s kind of sounding like it might just be a clerical error.
You know you can petition to get a course articulated. You just submit course description and syllabi. However that would be after you were admitted. Worse case scenario, you need to take another English course. If this course for some reason doesn’t pan out, the good news is you caught it in time.
I’m stuck in a bit of a pickle here - I’m currently taking an Econ course at my CC, and will be starting a Logic course at Cal this Monday. Econ is Tues-Thurs 1-3:50 PM, and Logic is Mon-Fri 10-12:30. I’m considering dropping Econ for a W. I’m currently in the A range, and there are only 3 weeks left of the course, but if I take both courses at once, I’ll be in class from 10 AM to 3:50 PM from Tuesday-Thursday, with only a 30 minute break between the two classes (which I’ll need to eat and walk from Cal to my CC, so it’s hardly a sufficient break). There are only 3 weeks left in the course, and I could get an A, but that may compromise my work in Logic, which obviously is more important. Additionally, if I dropped Econ, I could focus more on philosophy stuff I’ve been neglecting, namely writing a paper for my grandfather, reading Dostoevsky and other people, and making sure that my prime focus is Logic (which it should be). I’ll have a really packed schedule if I don’t drop Econ, and that’s something I want to avoid. There are only 3 weeks though, aka - any thoughts? Not sure if I should stick it out or drop Econ altogether.
Edit: Yeah, nevermind, I dropped it. Going to focus on club participation, philos extracurriculars, and making sure I get an A in this Cal class.
@SDGoldenBear I have a quick question re your Calc AP situation. Did the UCs specifically tell you that or was that determined to be best practice (to retake) by others? It actually is the best way to be extra safe, but the reason I ask is because I know someone who had same situation, got accepted to two UCs, can’t remember which ones - I’m kind of thinking SD and Davis. Anyhow, both UCs accepted the decision of the CCC and one said, don’t worry about it, carry on, and the other said the student may possibly need a refresher at the UC. But both said they honored the decision of the CCC in awarding AP credit for Calc 1, as the student passed Calc 2. Because you know math is a validation subject, meaning once you pass Calc 2 it validates any earlier courses, even if you never even took them. Getting in to Calc 1 is one thing (a 4 vs a 3), but I’m not sure that it would have been an issue any longer once you passed Calc 2 (based on the UC policy of validation).
Just trying to figure out the UC mindset - so wondering if you decided to play it extra safe, or if you got actual UC feedback that said to do it that way.
I didn’t have a problem with Davis myself. They essentially said no problem and that I didn’t even have to worry. San Diego told me it would depend on what major I was looking at but for Econ they said there probably won’t be an issue.
Cal pretty much said that I had to retake it due to Econ students being admitted as undeclared majors within L&S. If I didn’t retake I would be guaranteed to be rejected from declaring the capped major and would then have rely on an appeal process that is not a guaranteed thing. Essentially they made it clear that if I didn’t retake it I would be labeled as a “risky” applicant when it came time for the admissions committee to make decisions and that it’s just easier to retake the course.
UCLA was similar in that they “recommended” I retake to clear any possible issues but did tell me that I could also take an assessment test to clear it as well. They even offered a department test that could be used at UCLA only for free. That assessment test is notoriously hard though and at the time I personally was not confident enough to take the test.
For the record I received an “A” on Calc II and was planning to take differential equations when I did ask this.
Political Econ Major
GPA including fall: 3.83-3.86 (One NP from a non-prerequisite but retook for A)
HS GPA: Horrible
One year working experience after high school
EC’s: VP at Student Government, President of Entrepreneurship Club, Co-founder of a Nutrition/Fitness/Meal Customization Start-up Company, Circle K (volunteer club), Founder of an Inter-school Sports Tournament, Director of Communications at Economics Club, Co-founder of a Community Fundraising Program to Helping Minorities within Bay Area.
First gen, more than 45 credits of honor courses, honors department, dean’s list
Personal Statement: 9.5/10
Recommendation letters (if needed) from 2 professors (music+econ) and a Finance Director at Intel
Any thoughts? I’m not a California resident though
I think the NP and my gpa will probably be my downfall if I not get in
Major: Business Administration (Haas)
GPA: 4.0
Major GPA: 4.0
EC’s:
President of Student Government (Fall 2015-Spring 2016)
Senator of Student Government (Spring 2015)
Summer Marketing Volunteer at a pretty well known nonprofit
Business Development assistant in a not so well known startup in Silicon Valley
Will be joining PTK in Fall and hopefully get an executive position
Pre Reqs: All done by Fall 2015 besides Calc 2 which I will take spring 2016
I will also have the 7 course breadth requirement finished by spring even though it is not required
In honors program, will have honors certificate in Spring 2016
Personal statements/essays: have not started yet but I will hopefully be starting soon
I am mainly worried because I will not have my Calc 2 (Calc 16b) finished before applying. Any thoughts?
@Iwillbeahaashole I think you have a good chance, unless of course Haas requires you to have Calc completed by the time you apply (which I do not know). It looks like you have a solid chance, though. Make sure your personal statements are good.
@nerdbomb No UC’s accept letters of recommendation. Cal does accept them now, but only from high school applicants. They won’t be needed. HS GPA has no impact on you whatsoever (my lowest GPA in HS was a 0.73 ). That being said, I’ll be shocked if you don’t get in (so long as you have all prereq’s & IGETC/breadth).
The NP isn’t much of a hindrance. Having a NP and then retaking it for an A suggests that you intentionally failed it and retook it for a good grade. Your GPA would likely be sufficient for Econ, let alone PoliEcon.
@goldencub They do not require that is be completed before you apply however I have heard that its better to have it completed before so I was just worrying that they will pick someone else over me who has finished it. But thanks!
Anyone else checking everyday to see if Berkeley and UCLA updated their transfer admissions statistics on their website? I can’t wait until UCLA’s detailed spreadsheet comes out!!
). That being said, I’ll be shocked if you don’t get in (so long as you have all prereq’s & IGETC/breadth).