UC Berkeley 2016 Transfer Thread

Can it be April 24th already?

@goldencub I do not believe that you are qualified enough to be throwing these words around so confidently. Have you ever sat down in an admissions committee and hear them say that they consider prestige in the admissions process or even in the job setting? I have a lot of friends who did not go to big time schools for undergraduate and are either killing it in the job field right now or are going to some pretty impressive graduate programs. Besides, you are transferring from a CC. How would you feel if a transfer applicant from UCLA who wants to go to UCB is considered over your application because he goes to the more prestigious UCLA? Get a grip.

lol. Not too much I agree with in the above argument.

@RAHforHEE

preach.

@Molisha It’s just so sad to see that a potential UC Berkeley PHILOSOPHY student thinks this way.

@RAHforHEE You’re giving anecdotal evidence. Whether or not you have friends that are doing well with non prestigious degrees is meaningless. Some people are doing well without degrees at all, so does that mean college doesn’t matter at all? Of course prestige matters in the job market. Some companies will ONLY hire from elite universities, and many give preference to them. Are you not aware of the differences in recruiting opportunities between colleges? That doesn’t mean you can’t get a good job with a degree from a lesser known university, it just means you have an advantage if you went to a prestigious one. You’re also making your argument emotional and completely missing the point. Whether or not this is how it SHOULD be is a completely different argument. This is how it is.

Of course some employers care much less, if at all, about prestige than others, and your field plays a big role. But if we’re arguing on general terms, then it certainly matters to some extent. As far as graduate schools go, that’s a whole other discussion that many people have already had without coming to much of a conclusion.

@music1990

I somewhat agree with that- but I think that the real reason undergrads from good universities do better isn’t from the prestige of the name as much as the experiences they have available at those universities! Just my opinion so who cares haha

@Molisha I definitely agree with that. I’m by no means saying where you went to college will determine how successful you are. I think your degree matters less and less the longer you’re out of college, and the more work experience you have. I’m just saying prestige can help you to initially get your foot in the door, and so to say it has absolutely no significance is incorrect in my opinion. Ultimately though, it comes down to you and what you can do.

@music1990 My ‘anecdotal’ evidence is completely meaningful because it debunks any claims against “prestige equaling a better chance at a job”. And to answer your question, no, a college degree really does not matter because the majority of individuals in the top 5% of income in the U.S. DO NOT have a college degree. You’re throwing out words like “SOME COMPANIES”, then go ahead an link me a companies website that requires someone to have a degree from a prestigious university. You also do understand that the word prestige is very relative, right? in your argument, the UCLA grad will lose the job to the UCB grad and the UCB grad will lose the job to the Harvard grad ALL because the Harvard grad, apparently, had more recruiting opportunities. Now, does that make sense?

Rather than focusing on the things that separate us, how about we focus on the things that we have in common? How about we BOTH need to transfer to a UC, REGARDLESS OF THE NAME? How about we BOTH NEED A JOB, regardless of what school we come from? At the end of the day, it is statistically proven that if you grew up in poverty and received a college education, you are free from poverty–it says NOTHING about where you get that degree from.

@music1990 First you say prestige matters when getting your foot in the door and then you say it ultimately comes down to what the individual has to offer. So, you DO agree with those that believe prestige does not matter, that anyone coming from a “non prestigious” university can outshine someone at a prestigious university? Now, does that make my claims about my friends who went to these lower ended schools anecdotal?

@RAHforHEE I don’t think you understand what anecdotal means…

@MikeSauce Of course I do. It is clear that prestige means nothing. CC students get in over many prestigious colleges when transferring to a UC school. Another form of prestige is money. UC’s don’t consider money; a poor student can be picked over a rich one. Do you see where I am going with this? These are all factual statements that have led me to deduce that prestige DOES NOT MATTER. This is why I am able to boast about my friends who have went to Cal States and 75% acceptance rated schools are doing their graduate and MD studies at Stanford and UCLA, respectively.

Well before you deduce all over the internet, make sure and have your facts straight. CC students get priority when transferring because of the California Master Plan for Higher Education, its common knowledge, google it if you dont believe me.

@MilkSauce But you just proved my point; prestige is never considered. No one is preferred over anyone because of their status, it is their work ethic and experiences that get them to where they are.

You’re saying that work ethic and experience trump prestige, in this case prestige is not considered because its the law, not because you may or may not have worked harder.

I do agree that work ethic and experience matter more than prestige, but what do you think prestige is? It literally exemplifies what it means to work hard over an extended period of time. The average Joe that skated by isnt going to be admitted to a prestigious school, only the best and brightest are, with exceptions. Employers recognize this too and will always hire someone from Stanford over someone with a degree from the University of Phoenix. The exception being STEM majors, as they basically learn the same hard facts no matter where they go.

@MikeSauce You’re only proving my point. It is indeed unjust and illegal to consider someone for a job only because of their school ranking; talk to your little buddies that seem to think otherwise. You also cannot ever show me a clear cut example of when prestige is preferred over anything, regardless of talent/accomplishment/achievement. You do agree that there are many exceptions that go into a deciding factor and not just prestige?

@MikeSauce omg no. if they have someone applying for a job that went to a prestigious school, but they had little experience vs. someone who went to a lesser school with more applicable experience, they will probably take the person with more experience

Or at least that’s what I think :stuck_out_tongue: Since no one wants to hire someone who all they did was get accepted into a good school and then didn’t do anything notable after that haha

@Molisha Thank you, and that’s what they’re not getting through their thick skulls!

Oh, hell, I’m all for arguing, as you all likely know, but I’m terribly sick. I’ll get back to this later on. :slight_smile:

@RAHforHEE Thats funny I was thinking the same thing. I guess people want to go to prestigious schools because they like having to pay top dollar for a college degree.