Additional comment, @MikeSauce 's “deduce all over the internet” phrase was funny. I’ll be happy to do the exact same when I’m better, because I’m a thick-skulled individual who is incredibly disputatious.
I dont think anyone here is saying prestige is the end all be all factor, what we’re saying is that prestige definitely is a factor. Just having crooked teeth or a dirty suit could mean not getting a job, people make value judgements on virtually everything, if you guys dont realize this then I have some bad news about the real world…
I will just conclude this argument for you all, then. The majority of us on this sub-forum are unqualified community college students that should not be throwing phrases around that claim a prestigious university is more valuable than anything else to some corporations. This is not a fact, and if you want to keep arguing against it, fine, but we cannot fight darkness with light. Again, we should not focus on things like, “I’m from this university and I’m from that university”. There are so many other issues that we have in common than that separate us!
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@RAHforHEE Prestige definitely is a factor that comes into play for jobs right out of college. Of course, it’s among the many things considered when hiring someone. Google, for example, recruits mostly from Berkeley and Stanford. Top investment companies, such as Goldman Sachs, will recruit mostly from Ivy Leagues. Going to a prestigious school doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ll perform well in said job, either. But it definitely impresses people having a degree from a prestigious university under your belt, and for some companies it’ll make or break you.
@MikeSauce That is not true because @goldencub stated that a degree from UCB is more valuable than a degree from CSUF, which must say something about his stance on prestige. Let’s just be honest and let’s just be real, it is clear that a degree from Berkeley is more prestigious than a degree from CSUF but that doesn’t automatically disqualify the CSUF student from being considered, let alone picked over the Berkeley graduate. We’ve already discussed and understand that there are many factors that play into a decision role, but I can guarantee you that THE SCHOOL YOU WENT TO IS NOT A DECISION FACTOR. ASK ANY admissions counselor this question or any JOB HUNTER. They want to see what you have DONE with the opportunities that have been given to you. A SMART person understands this. Of course the Berkeley or Harvard student may have more opportunities thrown at him, but that DOES not take away from the ambitious CSUF student who is going to actively seek those opportunities that he may not readily be exposed to.
@csmajortom How about the reason why Google hires more Berkeley and Stanford students is because the students are relatively CLOSER to the corporation than most other universities, allowing students to get their foot in the door. You see what I am saying? This is no longer a question of prestige or not, because if this were the case ALL the Stanford students would get the job over the Berkeley students. This is a situation in which a particular student has taken advantage of his or her life and worked for their current position, whether it be as an intern in that corporation for some time, or by doing various other activities outside of it.
Good luck on finals for all the current Golden Bears! May the curves ever be in your favor. ([Especially you Bio majors out there](Guess the UC Berkeley department with the lowest grades | The Daily Californian).)
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Let’s say two people right out of college are both seeking the same job and both are basically the same exact person on paper and both do equally well in the interview, but one has a degree from Berkeley and one has a degree from CSUF. Who do you think is more likely to get the job?
@RAHforHEE
Also, if location was the reason rather than prestige as to why they recruit from Stanford and Berkeley, then why don’t they recruit from SJSU as much?
Yo so I literally just said the same thing in my previous comment. Prestige is not the only factor, but it definitely matters. You keep saying ‘if’ this and ‘if’ that, well there are a lot of ‘ifs’ in this world, what is not an ‘if’ is that a person at a prestigious school worked hard to get there and chances are they will continue to work hard in order to realize their ambitions. Prestige doesn’t always win out, but all other things equal it definitely can.
@MikeSauce
I agree.
@csmajortom You are putting together impossible scenarios. There will ALWAYS be something that sets someone apart from the other person, not just the school they went to. And I am pretty sure that SJSU students are taking some of those jobs inside of Google, as well! Any college student within that proximity has a fair shot. And that’s exactly why some people will choose to go to SJSU if they are Cal State bound because they know those opportunities are out there in abundance.
@MikeSauce I understand that you believe prestige matters, but I disagree and believe that prestige definitely does not matter. This is why we are having this argument.
@csmajortom Let’s have some fun. Let’s hypothetically say that a Harvard degree is more prestigious than a Yale degree, but there is no denying that both are EXTREMELY prestigious schools. If it came down to two applicants who wanted a job and looked the exact same on paper and did well in the interview, would you pick the Harvard grad over the Yale grad? In this case, it would be very hard to pick based off prestige. I am putting together these impossible scenarios because I know damned well that a hiring committee will not go as low as using prestige as a decision factor.
@RAHforHEE Why are you so worked up?
@goldencub I am worked up because you all seem to trout around here as if you all know what you are talking about but you really do not. You are not humble people. Secondly, none of you have been accepted to a UC yet. I know prestige matters to you, but what will happen if you DIDN’T get accepted to a prestigious school? Say you had to go to a less prestigious school like Cal State Dominguez Hills? Would you be self-sufficient or complain about how you aren’t in a prestigious institutions that can, in your opinion, give you “more”.
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Berkeley’s prestige is backed by the fact that it gives its students some of the best education in the world. Don’t you think taking into account the quality of an applicant’s education plays at least a small role in the hiring process? I would say so.
@csmajortom There is NO taking away from the world class education that Berkeley gives its students, but understand it is not the prestige that gets those students the job. It is their work ethic, and work ethic can be compared across the board. I know some really smart people who ended up going to a state school versus the “more prestigious” UC, even though they had the opportunity to go. They are doing just fine now–they have great jobs, they are in great graduate programs and vice versa. Nothing was taken away from them! It was not the prestige that got them there, it was the work ethic, which is what it all boils down to!
@RAHforHEE You are misrepresenting all of our positions. A college degree is still a college degree. We are not saying that prestige of undergrad is the supreme factor that will determine success in life. You seem hell-bent on thinking so. Yes, unsurprisingly, students who go to less prestigious schools can do well in life.
I see a plethora of illogical claims that you have made, and I’ll be happy to point them out to you in due time.
Cut the sarcastic comments. They are unwarranted. I’ll provide a more in depth attack on your nonsensical rant when I am free.
you guys are all ridiculous. this page is to help people get into Berkeley, not argue about the prestige colleges have, make a new thread.