@csmajortom No, but I followed by saying that x = y does not even exist, so it is valid.
We can go back and forth all day; I got my point across and it will be seen. The truth always prevails. Anyone who believes prestige plays any sort of role in a job decision is wrong, and will find out one day. If you choose not to listen what others have to say, then again, by all means.
This whole experience has been a prime example of an argument from ignorance.
@MikeSauce I feel the exact same way!
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@RAHorHEE You’re flailing bro. Anything that goes on your resume is likely to be used as a deciding factor in employment. And guess what, your college name goes on your resume. You’re making it seem as if we’re arguing that prestige is this all important thing, when in reality we’re just saying that it is a factor. Why is it so hard to belief that a hiring manager would give preference to a graduate from a college that they know required extreme dedication to be accepted, as opposed to a graduate from a college that accepts 75%? The reality is one is more of an accomplishment, and reflects a higher standard of productivity. You’re separating prestige from accomplishment, when in reality they are connected. It sounds like you have problems with the current structure of the education system, which is understandable, but denial isn’t going to fix anything.
@RAHorHEE The reason Google hires from Stanford and Berkeley is they have two of the best CS programs in the country. What if instead of using the word “prestige,” we substituted “rank.” Don’t you think a company would want to hired from a program that is nationally recognized, rather than one that isn’t? What is your problem with that?
@RAHforHEE if you’re so against prestige, why are you applying to Berkeley again?
@themightybicycle Because I look at more than prestige when applying to a school.
@music1990 You MUST separate prestige from accomplishment because I know plenty of people who transfer to a CSU vs a UC and were accepted to UC’s like Berkeley and UCLA. So, because the student chose not to go to a UC and ended up going to a Cal State. You cannot look at people based off their current situation; there are plenty of people who are more than capable of going to a prestigious university but don’t go for many reasons not related to academics! Some consider costs, family, living, etc. There are so many factors. So, what fair would it be to judge someone based off the college they attended when that person was capable of going to this prestigious university you talk about? There is a flaw in this system and way of thinking.
@music1990 I am sure that there are other universities that are higher ranked than UCB and Stanford in CS, but the reason why there is a plethora of students there is because they are CLOSE to the university; that is the only reason why. It’s convenience, not at all ranking or prestige.
@RAHforHEE Stanford and Cal are ranked #2 and #4 in computer science respectively, so while location plays a role, rank likely does as well.
Yes there are people capable of going to top schools who turn them down. All I’m saying is that getting into an elite school is an accomplishment. It is not the only accomplishment, but it is one. Just like getting a scholarship, or completing research. We’re not talking about whether it’s fair to be evaluated based on what college you went to, we’re talking about whether it happens. And many employers like hiring from top schools because they know these students have already faced rigorous evaluation.
We’re not going to see eye to eye on this though. Good luck with admissions, and let me know which school you decide on when you get into Cal and CSU Fullerton.
@music1990 last sentence was bomb. thank you
@music1990 If Stanford and Cal are at those rankings, then the Stanford students would always get the job over the Berkeley students. This is what prestige means, right? Because Stanford is ranked higher than the two, STanford would take all the jobs of Berkeley students. But that argument doesn’t hold because there are in fact Berkeley students working in those offices, so it doesn’t make sense to say that prestige matters because it NEVER WILL MATTER.
I’m not talking about whether it is fair or not, I am bringing up a valid point that shows the flaw in your argument. Prestige means nothing, and you will all eventually find out.
And you end your argument with CSUF as if it’s a bad school. Why must you be so sarcastic? I would love to see if any of you even get into UCB, because seriously you are all not humble people at all. Its none of my business, but it’s a shame that a potential Berkeley student thinks like this.
Again, I AM NOT ARGUING FOR FAIRNESS SAKE. I AM ARGUING AGAINST THE INDEED FACT THAT PRESTIGE WLL NEVER PLAY A ROLE IN YOUR ADMISSIONS OR JOB DECISIONS. Colleges and employers are no longer looking at stuff like this, instead they are focused on what you can bring to the table. A prestigious university may or may not give you the necessary resources to be successful, but it doesn’t matter because at the day, someone ofrom CSUF who does not have those opportunities given to them can easily seek them and come out on top of a more “prestigious” student.
You all seem to believe that the only good in applying to Berkeley is for the sake of prestige, but why not apply to Harvard or Yale if this is what you are looking for? I really hope you all see more in this great institution other than prestige factors because there is so much more that makes Berkeley what it is. I am getting asked this question all the time about why I am applying got Berkeley if I am not into prestige! Well, because BERKELEY IS NOT AL ABOUT PRESTIGE.
I will continue to argue my point in this discussion because I know that prestige means nothing, and it is too hard for any of you to accept.
Bottom line, Cal is a prestigious school, and there are things that accompany prestige. One cannot say, for example, that the quality of education offered at Cal is entirely unrelated to prestige. Same goes with research opportunities, academic rigor, etc.
Yes, there are exemplary students from just about any college, and one doesn’t have to go to a top school to be successful in life. Prestige of undergrad matters even less for grad/professional school admissions. Still, it looks damn good on a resume to have attended a top school. It shows something about the individual.
Also, it’s not like employers are going to scrutinize about minor differences in rankings. The difference in prestige between Cal and UCLA is negligible. Employers will recognize that it took effort to get into either school.
Do you know how competitive it is to get an internship or job at Google? Sure, a SJSU student may get hired, but it definitely helps to attend a top university. They love Berkeley/Stanford students for a reason.
It’s not at all surprising that employers like applicants from top schools. Yes, there are other factors, but it’s ridiculous to say prestige isn’t considered whatsoever in job applications.
@music1990 And it is never ranking that plays a role in someone getting a job. Look at this situation; The American University is settled near The White House and various other government sectors. The majority of the students interning and working there go to that school. Is this university “prestigious” at all in your opinion? It’s not, if you want to go ahead and look it up. This is a prime example of why there are other factors that do not include prestige that employers use to give jobs to these students. These students are obviously closer to the White House and can get access to those jobs, it was not the prestige, it was simply location. HOWEVER< because it has NOTHING to do with prestige, a CSUF student, all the way down from California, can seek the opportunity if desired and still get the job!
We need to stop thinking in this box of “prestige” and not “prestige”. This should not be the reason for you applying to UCB, because you will still be able to get opportunities if you decided to go to UCD or SJSU or even, yes, CSUF. Why do we look down upon these schools when they are able to put students into the work force? I don’t get anyone’s logic on here.
You keep misrepresenting our arguments. We keep explaining that prestige isn’t the biggest factor. It’s not an end all factor. But it’s still a factor. Your logic is off.
@goldencub How many times do I have to explain my argument? I am completely against prestige and believe that it is never considered, so when someone says that prestige plays a role, even if it is microscopically small, I am against this because as I continue to say, PRESTIGE WILL NEVER MATTER.
By your logic, an internship at Google isn’t looked at as better in any way than an internship at some off the wall company - because prestige doesn’t matter and isn’t considered at all.