<p>Thanks guys for the information. I’m not quite sure how GPA works because our school gives predicted scores out of 45 for the IB though.</p>
<p>IB predicted scores ARE important to schools, especially for international applicants coming from UWCs, etc. They treat them more like grades on your transcript, though, rather than test scores. Your actual grades from IB won’t be important at all, because you’ll already have your decision by then (unless you get waitlisted), but you should treat your predicted score similar to the way you would a GPA.</p>
<p>OOS is harder.</p>
<p>Also, I think people underestimate the difficulty of getting into the UCs for your average person from a good suburban high school (as opposed to some ELC person in Compton). Looking at [University</a> of California: StatFinder](<a href=“http://statfinder.ucop.edu/reports/schoolreports/default.aspx]University”>http://statfinder.ucop.edu/reports/schoolreports/default.aspx) for my high school, over the past 7 years, we have had 104 enrollees at Berkeley, 68 at UCLA, and 109 at UCSD. The average enrolled SAT score for Berkeley was 1446, for UCLA was 1397, and for UCSD was 1381.</p>
<p>And things used to be easier. Looking at the top 3 CA suburban schools in US News for 2008-2009:
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Mission San Jose: 64 enrollees - 1471, 4.14
Gunn: 25 enrollees - 1462, 4.13
Monta Vista: 42 enrollees - 1466, 4.14</p>
<p>@Cherokeejew- are those SAT scores out of the old system or the new one? Because the new one is out of 2400?</p>
<p>I’m an international student. I didn’t do as well in my mock exams so my predicted grades are high 30s. (37-38) I really want to push it up by November when I apply. It does not state on their website how much they “want”. Anybody have any ideas what marks we’re looking for at IB?</p>
<p>Thank you for your input guys. Appreciate it.</p>
<p>*Sorry: money is not a concern, although it would be nice to of course to be on scholarship (not financial aid) is what I meant. *</p>
<p>If money is not an issue, then I think you have a good chance at both. Even though both schools are need blind, I would imagine if they got wind of the fact that you could full pay, you’ll get in. </p>
<p>Seriously, UCB accepted a girl this year with a very sub 2000 SAT and the only thing that seemed to be the tipping point is that she would be a full pay student.</p>
<p>The scores are just math + reading, as listed on the UC data site (which may lead one to believe that they care less about writing). </p>
<p>And as mom2 said, they are really trying to raise revenue these days by greatly boosting the number of OOS and international students, so being full-pay is especially good now (and is likely no disadvantage over being in-state).</p>
<p>It is also trying to raise its SAT ranges by accepting these strange people, making these misinformed kids jump through much higher hurdles to be admitted.</p>
<p>^ Cool story.</p>
<p>UCB is need-blind in admissions for domestic students, including OOS. They have increased the number of OOS acceptances because they pay 3X the tuition that in-state pay, and UCB grants are not typically extended to OOS (thought merit scholarships sometimes are). The need-blind aspect becomes more apparent when you notice that UCB’s yield is about 50% in-state and only 20% OOS - the result of OOS students finding they cannot afford UCB without financial aid. [04.14.2010</a> - More than 12,900 offered admission after competitive application period](<a href=“http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2010/04/14_admissions.shtml]04.14.2010”>http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2010/04/14_admissions.shtml)</p>
<p>International students must provide documentation that they can pay full price. So being full-pay is not an advantage as all international students are assumed to be full-pay, and the % of international students admitted is pre-determined by UCB admissions prior to any applications being read.</p>
<p>With 50,000+ applicants for admission to UCB (and in California ALL UC applicants must be in the top 12.5% statewide to even apply, so it is a VERY qualified applicant pool), UCB could - if they chose - admit only full-pay, 4.0+ 2100+ students and easily fill their class. The suggestion that they “have” to admit unqualified students to try to get someone to attend does not make sense. The student mentioned in post #26 very likely had a special quality or faced a unique challenge that she chose not to divulge to college confidential posters.</p>
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<p>Be careful advising international students applying to Berkeley. Berkeley is tough on international student applicants. I know several very talented kids in a top high school in Singapore with superb stats and come from a wealthy class who were rejected at Berkeley outrightly. They all got into several top privates including the top ivies but not at Berkeley. I know there is a trend for top, extremely smart international students being rejected at Berkeley. </p>
<p>NYU is significantly easier to get into but offers almost equally superb program.</p>
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<p>Sounds like Tufts syndrome? If one can get into HYP (I reckon those are the “top Ivies”) then one should be able to get into Berkeley without much of a problem.</p>
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Generally it has far more to do with the UC eligiblity requirements. For all of the UCs, eligibility requirements are specific and rigid. One that has tripped up a LOT of oos/international applicants is the VPA - and if they don’t have it, it doesn’t matter how many Ivies admit them, they are not UC eligible. Another is the SAT subject test requirement that the two subject tests be *in two different areas *- an applicant with 800s on Chem and Physics, for example, would not be eligible… (The sat subject test requirement will disappear in 2012.) And they must, just like California applicants, have all A-G requirements. On these boards so many oos/international applicants who have already submitted their applications say “What’s a VPA?” “What are the A-G requirements?” when I ask if they have completed them all. </p>
<p>At privates there is much more leeway to consider an applicant even if one tiny requirement was overlooked.</p>
<p>Internationals actually seem to do pretty well, certainly better than OOS, and as well as people from good CA schools. </p>
<p>The UCs divide CA high schools into deciles, with 1 being the worst, and 10 being the best. This shows the difference in stats between people at the worst schools and the best - it seems that Berkeley regards SAT scores as significant only in the context of other people from your school, since the acceptance rate stays similar, even at the worst schools. I also put in engineering to show that difference in major is actually more significant than being OOS (and perhaps some of the reason OOS people do worse is that more apply to engineering). </p>
<p>-------------Ave applied – Acc % - Ave Accept - Ave Enroll
International: 1936, 3.74 - 20.5% - 2099, 4.02 - 2032, 3.98
Out of State: 1964, 4.01 - 20.2% - 2139, 4.23 - 2062, 4.13
Dec 9-10 HS: 1935, 3.86 - 29.3% - 2097, 4.18 - 2058, 4.13
Dec. 1-2 HS: 1462, 3.64 - 24.2% - 1652, 4.06 - 1614, 4.01
Engineering-: 1895, 3.86 - 21.1% - 2112, 4.22 - 2082, 4.19</p>
<p>It should also be noted that there is a big difference among engineering majors - nuclear and mechanical engineering are actually easier to get into than L&S (your application doesn’t need to be rated as highly), while EECS and bioengineering are much harder.</p>
<p>Being an international from outside of Asia is a big boost.</p>
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<p>Well, from the website below you can satisfy the UC entry requirements by 2 ways for out-of-staters: the scholarship requirement (that is A-G subjects must have GPA > 3.4) or admission by examination alone (total UC score >= 425 and UC score >= 63 on each component of the SAT or ACT).</p>
<p>I think if you can get yourself admitted to HYP then I think your UC score will probably be above 425. In fact, I think most international students applying to Berkeley will meet eligibility criteria via the “admission by examination alone” route. </p>
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<p>Source: [url=<a href=“http://catalog.berkeley.edu/undergrad/admission.html]General”>http://catalog.berkeley.edu/undergrad/admission.html]General</a> Catalog - Undergraduate Education - Applying for Admission<a href=“under%20non-residents”>/url</a></p>
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In fact, the majority of California students, OOS and international *accepted *to Berkeley and UCLA meet the Eligibility by Examination criteria AND have all other requirements - because the tests scores of accepted students have climbed that high. Eligibilty by Examination is most often used, and was created for, homeschooled students. While some OOS or International students may benefit (those with a “hook”), the majority of OOS and Internationals accepted to UCB or UCLA will be those that fulfilled the A-G requirements.</p>
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<p>Well, for students in Singapore (which is what was mentioned by RML) - the Ministry of Education over here do not offer PVA-type courses at all for most students (excepting those in the Art Elective Programme) during the last 4 years of high school so it would impossible to fulfill the A-G requirements - yet we have about ~20 Singaporeans every year accepted and enrolling in Berkeley. Thus I believe they qualified via examinations/test scores alone.</p>
<p>In any case, if you are admitted by any one of HYP as an international student, I think you have some very good hooks (international olympiad medals, ISEF, RSI and the like) - and I cannot imagine why Berkeley will turn you down.</p>
<p>I’m an international student who got into nyu and berkeley. I did A levels instead of IB, and you definitely need to submit them (or IB). I chose NYU in the end</p>
<p>Cherokee, Is there a web site to find a particular CA high school’s decile rank? I searched a few terms on Google but only found New Zealand sites.</p>
<p>Thank you</p>