The computer programs in computer science/engineering in the above schools are better or as good as Ivy schools.
Agree
Undergrad or Grad? Still a matter of opinion not fact. Certainly debatable especially with Cornell and possibly Princeton. Also depends on subsets such as AI, Theory etc…
I would say Berkeley fit the equal or better but I personally would have no interest with all that is happening there currently.
Don’t forget Michigan:
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate-computer
Water is wet and has no intrinsic meaning without context?
If going to the undergraduate major in computer science, it is not worth to pay for Ivy price. This good state university is better off both quality and money wise if cannot get need based scholarship.
@ParentofA_student Um if you make $150,000 or less tuition is free at say Princeton so not sure your statement is accurate.
This posters income is $260,000 a year…so his kid would not get need based aid…at Princeton…or probably anywhere else.
GA tech and UIUC about $48,000 a year COA for OOS students.
Cal…$36,000 instate…$61,000 OOS
@thumper1 I must have missed where that was posted. I was responding to what seemed a generalized statement. To amend, if there is a big price difference then of course each school needs to be judged differently in each case. That said a great deal of students will many times change majors which could then be in favor of an Ivy vs colleges listed.
Some of those elite schools provide their need based aid for only four years…so switching majors there wouldn’t be economically sound either.
@thumper1 ^^^Very true but outside of CS I’m not sure that UIUC could come close in other majors should one choose to switch. By the way I don’t know exactly how much for $260,000 and above would be at Princeton but I do know that $250,000 would pay $47,101 which is less than those you listed above.
Certainly this student can apply to any of the elite schools. With acceptance rates hovering in the single digits…to maybe 10% of applicants…none of these schools is a slam dunk for admissions…
And we only know this family income is $260,000 a year. We have no idea what their assets are. This student has $260,000 income plus assets…which could very well put them out of the running for need based aid at these schools.
They can apply…and see.
I don’t know about GTech, but Berkeley, UIUC, and several other publics I know of have very stiff requirements to get into the CS major – this is to alleviate the problem of students getting locked out of key CS classes due to oversubscription.
You don’t get that in Harvard, Princeton or Cornell, all of which have produced respectable CS graduates (and drop outs).