<p>^ In your mind though, why do you say Michigan is more complete?</p>
<p>Medical school? More out of state students?<br>
I'll agree with you on those factors.</p>
<p>Also Dental school, Pharmacy School, Nursing School.... 18 colleges/schools as compared to 14 at UCB. Just pretty much more overall course offerings in a greater variety of disciplines. That's all I meant.</p>
<p>^ Bah! That's all med school related... :p</p>
<p>I agree that Michigan is more complete in the sense that it gives you the most "real college experience". </p>
<p>School pride, great sports scene, party/frat life </p>
<p>All qualities that at least to me, a prospective student, view Cal as lacking</p>
<p>Both UMich and Cal are excellent academically, with Cal having an edge but being far less diverse outside of Asians.</p>
<p>^^ Cal doesn't seem to be lacking in any of those... it's all perception, I suppose.</p>
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<p>Michigan is about 10% URM, whereas Berkeley is closer to 15-20%. Not to mention that Michigan is exceedingly white--two thirds white doesn't really seem to be more diverse to me. :)</p>
<p>So they don't count UCB? ;-)</p>
<p>berkeley is better. end of story, unless you like harsh brutal michigan cold.</p>
<p>Since when does Cal not have a good sports scene, frat life, and school pride? While they might not be as prominent as Michigan's (I honestly can't speak for the Wolverines), they are definitely there.</p>
<p>Anyway, the Bay >> Ann Arbor, Cal tuition (instate) < Mich tuition, and academics are nearly equal (if anything, the edge to Cal) =P</p>
<p>Academics and prestige edge to Cal over Michigan. I agree with that as well. It is the number one rated state school in the country and for good reason.</p>
<p>okay i hate to come off as shallow and this is definitely NOT the ultimate deciding factor for a choice between the two, IF I am accepted into both, but now for curiousity's sake...</p>
<p>the rumor about ugly girls at Cal - true? to what degree?</p>
<p>very true. going to berkeley results in the berkeley eye, which is a disease that you get when your standards for girls go down after looking at so many ugly girls. the girls at cal are so ugly.</p>
<p>In addition to what 3365 said. A lot of blondes at cal are fat (or above desired limit). The redheads there usually have faces plagued by freckles. The Latina there, same case with blondes. It's rare to find good face good body combination there, so don't go to Cal if you are expecting to meet hot chicks.</p>
<p>Wow, shallowness, offensive comments, and generalizations, all rolled together in three consecutive posts.</p>
<p>Both are great universities. Both schools are incredibly diverse, although in different ways. Racially and socio-economically, Cal is more diverse than Michigan. Michigan students are 70% white and, for the most part (60%), come from upper middle income and upper income families. Not much racial and socio-economic diversity there. But in-staters make up 90% of Cal's undergraduate student body, compared to 65% at Michigan. Also, Michigan's international student population is roughly twice larger than Cal's. </p>
<p>In terms of academics, both schools are excellent, but Cal does have the overall academic and reputational edge. </p>
<p>When it comes to Business education, Ross and Haas are practically equal, with Ross having stronger ties to East Coast (particularly Wall Street) and Midwestern firms and Haas having stronger ties to West Coast firms. </p>
<p>Ann Arbor and Berkeley are both nice college towns, although Ann Arbor tends to be quainter and more pleasant. </p>
<p>Campus environment at both schools is awesome. Michigan is slightly livelier and more spirited, partly thanks to its athletic teams, but Cal holds its own.</p>
<p>As far as I am concerned, there are two things to consider:</p>
<p>1) Ross pre-admits students, Haas does not. For students who arepre-admitted into Ross, Haas is more of a risk as there are no guarantees of admission into Haas. </p>
<p>2) Finances. Of course, if one's family is extremely wealthy, it does not really matter. However, to most students, $20,000/year ($80,000 over 4 yrears) is a very significant sum of money. If one's folks are middle income (even upper middle income), there is no justification for choosing an out of state university over Cal, not even in favor of Harvard, unless the cost of attendence isn't significantly higher (i.e., need or merit based aid). So, unless Michigan gives the OP a nice scholarship, or unless the OP comes from a wealthy family, I would say go for Cal. If scholarships and/or financial aid (loans not included) make both schools equally expensive, then I recommend the OP goes for fit.</p>
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LOL! Sure...any place is when you don't have to put up with this $hit:
TREE</a> PEOPLE & THEIR GOLDEN BEAR SHOWERS! - a set on Flickr</p>
<p>I love the city of Berkeley. :)</p>
<p>^ Piedmont Avenue used to be beautiful. </p>
<p>Soon, it will regain its former glory:
<a href="http://stadiumcampaign.berkeley.edu/project-description/Grand-Stair-Rendering.jpg%5B/url%5D">http://stadiumcampaign.berkeley.edu/project-description/Grand-Stair-Rendering.jpg</a></p>
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<p>Yeah, b/c a school that is 70% “white” is more “diverse” than one that is 31%.</p>
<p>My daughter was told many years ago she could go to any school she could get into and all those many years we have saved to make good on that promise. She has spent the past 6+ years of her life in Michgan (and the first 11 in SoCal) and wanted, in addition to excellence in academics, a bustling urban environment. Columbia did not admit her--they blew it! In terms of bustling urban environments only Cal comes close to Columbia and the weather more than makes up the minute difference, so Cal gets my girl. UMich would have been a LOT cheaper, and empirically, just about as good, but for my girl, the big advantage for Cal is the urban environment, since Ann Arbor is more of a college town.</p>
<p>Oh, and I know I'm her mom, but no "Berkeley Eyes" required!</p>
<p>"What an absurd statement--Berkeley epitomizes diversity. Nearly a third are Pell Grantees. A large portion (at least a quarter, I believe) are first-generation students. It enrolls roughly 20% underrepresented minorities, and its 40% Asian populations spans every possible Asian country you can think of--China, Japan, Cambodia, India, the Philippines, etc. 85+ languages are spoken on Berkeley's campus, and it enrolls students from over 100 countries. Many religions are represented in its student body, and you're likely to find people from all walks of life in its ~35,000 students. Berkeley reflects (not models) the diversity of California, the nation, and the world.</p>
<p>If that isn't diversity, I don't know what is.</p>
<p>To the OP: I would agree with the others that Berkeley has a big advantage here since you're in-state. Also, northern California is very different from southern California, so it's likely to be a nice change for you. I would also give Berkeley the edge as an overall university anyway (top faculty, top research, top facilities, top students, top reputation, etc.), but Michigan is a great school too."</p>
<p>93% are from California
only 3% international</p>