<p>I was just wondering, how big does Stanford consider the rivalry between it and Cal Berkeley? I've heard varying opinions and would like to know what you all think.</p>
<p>We don't care except for Big Game. </p>
<p>And then we chant things like "safety school!" and "rejects!" </p>
<p>It's mostly one-sided.</p>
<p>Yes, what he said.</p>
<p>word. i could care less about berkeley except for big game b/c its fun to hate on another team. but other than that...eh. i DO have a shirt that says </p>
<p>Cal Sucks (front)
"i have one more testicle than Cal" - Lance armstrong (back)</p>
<p>Aside from the "Stanford Rejects," that's all I hear from Stanford students about Berkeley kids.</p>
<p>lol my friends are all going to berkeley this year and they really don't like stanford... at cal, they call stanford, the JC across the bay. jc=junior college. and if you say the word stanford on campus, they'll probably give you dirty looks. i heard that at the big game, cal kids have to remove all red. apparently one girl was wearing all red and had to remove all her clothing and trade it in for blue & gold.</p>
<p>Its kinda a classic jealousy thing where stanford doesnt really care because they are the better school and can actually respect cal for being a half decent school and cal is obsessed with their neighbor who is just a little bit better at almost everything</p>
<p>^basically. haha. i laugh but its true. go card.</p>
<p>I hear a lot about how Stanford students and pothers don't care, but I don't experience that. I experience about the same amount of caring as Berkeley students and others. I attended the Wonderfest this past year, an event about philosophy and science co-hosted one weekend by Berkeley and Stanford, Berkeley hosting on the Saturday and Stanford Sunday. Some Stanford neuroscience prof insulted Berkeley on Saturday, saying something better-worded but along the lines of he'd switch to Berkeley but the faculty at Stanford is just so much smarter. He clearly initiated it without any provocation. My friend and her roommate did the same thing months after the big game, in the month of June, whereas the Big Game was in what, November? And I could easily imagine either of them seeming apathetic for most of the year, perhaps with only an insult or two once in a while. Essentially, it's pretty ridiculous to portray Berkeley people as the only ones who care because 1) many don't and 2) many care to the same extent it seems people from Stanford care.</p>
<p>So, collegecanwait, for the first 50 years of Stanford's existence, when it was a backwater school for rich folks that handed out high grades to the undeserving and was in financial trouble, and Berkeley was the clear powerhouse, it was the other way around? By the way, you probably mean "envy" and not "jealousy." If we're half-decent, I'd hate to be all of the schools significantly worse than we are, and there are thousands like that in America.</p>
<p>Different people or groups on campus at Berkeley do different things, but you guys can feel free to generalize, regardless of accuracy.</p>
<p>also, not all berkeley ppl are stanford rejects. one of the girls at my school turned down stanford for berkeley. and her dad works at stanford too.</p>
<p>^eh, one in a million. haha. jp.</p>
<p>but seriously, you can't go by 2 people from stanford. i've heard from people that have done their undergrad at berekely and then have come to stanford that berkely cares much more and takes it much more seriously. i've heard from students i know that go to Cal that its worse at Cal. i remember i went to the campus with a friend and everyone just bashed stanford, in a serious way. i mean you go to stanford and they say "don't go to the reject school. haha. nah, Cal a great school, but stanford's better." jeez, at cal all i heard was "stanford sucks. people there are all rich and pricks. it's way overrated. blah blah blah."</p>
<p>c'mon admit it. there's more of a rivalry b/c of Cal.</p>
<p>Maybe there is more passion on the side of Berkeley, maybe not. Even if there is, it doesn't make "it's mostly one-sided" true by any means, and that claim seems false.</p>
<p>What do you mean by "there's more of a rivalry b/c of Cal?" I mean, sure, that makes sense, Berkeley was around for years longer, and had a lot more power and respect for many years, and the current respect level varies by area, with Berkeley probably having more respect worldwide, and now Stanford clearly has significantly more money, but for many years Stanford must have had the "classical case of envy," right? Without Berkeley, sure, there would be no rivalry because Stanford wouldn't have had the classical case of envy it had for decades, so there is more of one because of Berkeley.</p>
<p>i meant that the Cal side contributes more to the rivalry in terms of the typical trash talking and playa hatin'. and nobody is disputing that there would be a rivalry with Cal even if Cal didn't exist...i mean, yeah, if Cal didn't exist, we would have no rivalry with them. </p>
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um, you said it yourself. berekely was only the power house for the first 50 years of stanford's existence. so thanks for saying since then we've been owning you. haha.</p>
<p>anyway...what are you doing on the stanford forum? i mean, you're free to go to any forum, of course. but why stanford? couldn't resist to experience any trace of the Card. i understand. jp...but really.</p>
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<p>Maybe this is because graduate students are much more focused on studying and less focused on college life such as rivalries?</p>
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i've heard from students i know that go to Cal that its worse at Cal. i remember i went to the campus with a friend and everyone just bashed stanford, in a serious way. i mean you go to stanford and they say "don't go to the reject school. haha. nah, Cal a great school, but stanford's better." jeez, at cal all i heard was "stanford sucks. people there are all rich and pricks. it's way overrated. blah blah blah."
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<p>Well, all the people I've talked to seems to be kidding around when they talk about Stanford. I remember at orientation all the speakers made fun of Stanford in a non-serious way. I haven't met someone who seriously hates Stanford or anything. It seems to just be treated as a fun rivalry, as it should be. I suppose there will always be students like that, but what can you do?</p>
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anyway...what are you doing on the stanford forum? i mean, you're free to go to any forum, of course. but why stanford? couldn't resist to experience any trace of the Card. i understand. jp...but really.
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<p>I don't recall a CC rule saying we have to post only in the forum of the college we are attending. :) Personally I browse through some Top Colleges such as Stanford, UVa, UMich, every once in a while.</p>
<p>Cal is not full of "Stanford rejects," I was accepted to the class of 2010 and chose Cal over Stanford and it had nothing to do with money, it was strictly a matter of choice. I have a friendthat also chose Cal over Stanford. Cal was 1st choice for me and I may not have chosen Stanford if I wouldn't have gotten into Cal. My personal decision for Cal was that Cal had the most to offer me, I felt Stanford had less.</p>
<p>By the way, this thread seems to have started by a Berkeley student.</p>
<p>Okay, so you made that choice. How many others did? It is estimated that at least 90% of cross-admits choose Stanford over Berkeley; this makes you in a tiny minority. </p>
<p>Cal IS full of "Stanford rejects." Because almost all in-staters who apply to Stanford also apply to Cal, and up at Cal, for the most part, and sometiems UCLA. But this is also the case for HYP, Penn, Brown, Columbia, etc.; CA kids who apply to top schools and don't get in inevitably end up at Cal.</p>
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<p>I just provided a rough date. I'm not sure what the precise time was when Stanford started to turn into an actually worthwhile school.</p>
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Cal IS full of "Stanford rejects." Because almost all in-staters who apply to Stanford also apply to Cal, and up at Cal, for the most part, and sometiems UCLA. But this is also the case for HYP, Penn, Brown, Columbia, etc.; CA kids who apply to top schools and don't get in inevitably end up at Cal.
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<p>Stanford IS full of Cal rejects. It has been estimated that at least a third of Stanford students got rejected from Cal. There's more to "top schools" than the Ivy league, and plenty of people at Cal tunred down places like Cornell (which I guess isn't top enough for you to mention, even though it's in the league )and other top schools such as Duke for various reasons to attend Berkeley. Plenty of people here aren't "Ivy League rejects" because they had no desire to attend or apply to the Ivy league, and I know students who would have traded their acceptance at Stanford for an acceptance from Harvard, Yale, or Princeton any day, where they were rejected (and actually wanted to attend). I think most people, or at least medium to high achivers, don't attend their first choice school.</p>
<p>You can say things like "CA kids who apply to top schools and don't get in inevitably end up at Cal," with as much prfoundness as you want, but it's very dependent on how you define "top schools" and really does ignore many kids including those who don't apply to Cal at all (even as a back up or safety). You also have no idea if "Because almost all in-staters who apply to Stanford also apply to Cal" has any truth.</p>
<p>OK guys, what do you expect. Of course Stanford is going to rail on Cal. If you ask the Berkeley guys what they think of Stanford, they are going to make fun of them too.</p>
<p>Here are some interesting numbers, which you can interpret any way you choose:
Applicants to Stanford '09: 20195
Admitted: 2426
Rejected: 17769
Percent of in-state students: 37.5%
Assuming about 35% of applicant pool is in-state (since their yield is presumably higher), number of in-state students rejected: 6219
Cal '09 Freshman Class: 3816</p>
<p>Ironically, for grad school, Berkeley EECS is more selective than Stanford EE, so most of my peers and I are Berkeley rejects :).</p>
<p>i just wanted to point out that i'm constantly seeing "undercover" stanford videos of cal students online. if there wasn't any support for the rivalry from the stanford side, why would there be an interest in making disparaging videos of cal students?</p>