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501

<p>gabew42, you just have no idea. A lot of the transfers that get into UCLA can be pretty stupid. The highschoolers are required to take national tests. JC-ers just have to get that easy A in the prereqs. </p>

<p>About the statistics class, it can be a piece of cake class. I know a teacher at SMC that gives open-book tests in statistics.</p>

<p>And the honors program does make a difference. </p>

<p>Stupid people will have a harder time getting into UCLA as a freshman unless they're an athlete, etc. JC people have a great advantage over the freshman applicants.</p>

502

<p>First, we agree on statistics then, as I said, "statistics is not considered to be a 'piece of cake' by everyone."</p>

<p>Second, we agree on honors because I said it doesn't make "that much" of a difference; you say it makes a difference; we agree. </p>

<p>On your first point, are you saying that because the freshmen take national tests that they are likely to not be "pretty stupid" like you contend "a lot of" the transfers are? That scoring good on a national test means you are smarter?</p>

503

<p>The thing is that I am honors certified through my Jr. college...my gpa is around 3.4 w/ i think 17 honors units...the problem is that before I went to jr. college I went to Cal Poly, SLO and nearly dropped out..my gpa at poly was only 2.36 or something. My counselor said that even if my jr. college certifies me as honors or "TAP" w/ UCLA, UCLA might deny me because my overall GPA (including Cal Poly grades) is only 3.1...and I need a 3.25. That's what scares me :( haha.</p>

504

<p>How do you decide between two people when they have the same GPA's same essays etc... Thats where the SAT's come in handy. Why do freshman applicants have to take these tests to get in while transfers do not? Almost all the colleges in the top 50 require you to send in your SAT's even when you are a junior transfer (not including the UC's) what does that say about the importance of this test?</p>

505

<p>Gabe, we do not agree on the point of honors making a difference. You stated that honors doesn't "that much" of a difference, implying that it does not make a significant difference. I implied that it did. If you can't interpret the simple implications of english, then we have another stupid transfer applicant for UCLA [and your essays show that]. </p>

<p>I'm not even going into the the freshman/transfer thing. You should be smart enough to see that transferring into UCLA is countless times easier than getting admitted as a freshman. You're going to have to put your ego aside and just accept it.</p>

506

<p>I think as a humanities major, being able to avoid tough math classes at a community college, allows us to protect our gpas better (in comparison to the high schoolers). </p>

<p>I also have no doubt transfer students perform just as well as students who entered the UC system straight out of highschool. We have to look no further than CC's own Allena or Calgirl. </p>

<p>As hobofromdowntown and others suggested, perhaps requiring SATs may help standardize the process from high school to community college as well as from community college to community college. I mean why do transfers deserve any special leg up compared to freshmen admits? Especially, considering we will graduate with the same degree, I believe it is only fair that we go through as similar a process as possible to the freshmen app pool.</p>

507

<p>I go to SMC and graduated from santa monica HS school. I can tell u that 90% of the AP classes that i took in HS were more challenging than any SMC class that I've taken. I've taken a lot of science classes. </p>

<p>Most history, social science classes at smc are a joke. U come, do turn in some work, teachers hand out study guides. Also a lot of cheating, passing tests, essays etc goes on at cc. </p>

<p>An SAT test is taken by everyone in the country. It's extremely dificult IMO. People study month w/ private tutors for it. There is no way of cheating on it. </p>

<p>I don't know any senior from my HS who got into UCLA undeservingly. While a lot of pretty lazy cc students w/ 3.2 got into ucla. While a lot of 4.0 got rejected from HS w/ a lot of AP scores etc.</p>

508

<p>Honors programs are something not worthy. That is the reason why Berkley has completely rejected the idea of having any sort of commitments. It is highly unfair to those who worked hard, accumulated excellent GPA and all sort of community useful activities. I am quite sure UCLA soon will abolish this highly ineffective trend.</p>

509

<p>"I mean why do transfers deserve any special leg up compared to freshmen admits?"</p>

<p>We have really gone into a ridiculous path. The idea of the SAT, in case any of us have forgotten, is to show how well a student will do in college (although its been proven that it is not a very good indicator). So a student's record in college is FAR MORE, OBVIOUSLY, INHERENTLY, effective in determining how well a student will do in college! This is a no brainer! TRANSFERS DONT HAVE A LEG UP!</p>

<p>And of course some high school classes seem harder; you were in high school dude! And if you are comparing apples and oranges classes then obviously that's off.</p>

510

<p>Gabe, regardless of how the transfer will do compared to the freshman admits, transfer students still get priority admittance.</p>

511

<p>cardinalfocused,
i skimmed through the thread you gave me (and don't want to go over it again in detail because i'm really not feeling well, but i will later) and everyone is entitled to their opinion. here is some of my personal exp</p>

<p>i like the professors, and yes there are some really crappy ones, like this biopsych prof i had. but there are those EVERYWHERE. </p>

<p>as a transfer, i felt pretty lonely my first semester out here. then again, i'm the kind of person who doesnt really open up right away, so it takes a little longer for me to make friends, so i'd feel like that anywhere. this semester i was selected to be a peer counselor, so i'm making an effort to get to know ppl through that, since we all have at least one thing in common and it is a smaller group than one of my upper division classes. so far, the people i have met up with outside of class, i find i dont entirely click with, but if i keep making and effort, i will find at least one very very good friend here. and if not, at least i have fun in the process =) oh, and i met my current boyfriend in one of my classes last semester and been going out since then. that helps not feel lonely, but i still would like to make good friendships here. yes, it is certainly a challenge like that poster said but if i can find a bf here my first semester, i can find a person(s) who would make a very good friend. </p>

<p>people aren't very smart at cal? what in the hell???? ok, there are some people who are bigtime slackers and i really wonder how they manage to get here, but there are a lot of intelligent ppl here. i can't believe that poster said when ppl ask questions, they ask dumb questions...i don't know what his problem is</p>

<p>yes, they guarantee you only one year for transfers, but i hope the poster knows....there is something called craigslist and Cal rentals where you can search for places to live in that cost way less than the dorms. and that doesnt require befriending anyone</p>

<p>i dont know, sounds like the poster is having a really difficult time transitioning and i can realy sympathize. just finding where you belong in a school of 30,000 students can be really challenging and frustrating, so maybe he's just blowing off some steam.</p>

512

<p>woah... high school admission difficulty vs. transferring admision difficulty ... crazy debate!!!!!! </p>

<p>Anyways, let me add in some ideas:
Some of you put the importance and the significant SATs as one of the essential element in the transfering process and the transfer students do not have to take it so that makes them "not so smart" as the freshman applicants from high school... hahahahaha well, look, the SAT is used as an indicator how you do in college so your college GPA is certainly your PERFORMANCE; the SAT is only an INDICATOR for your performance in college!!!!! </p>

<p>Plus, some transferring students go to community college not because they were not capable of being accepted as a freshman but because they can save more money in CC. They have applied as freshman and got in but decided to transfer as a junior student. They have taken the SAT, too. </p>

<p>SAT math test is really a piece of cake... some of my math professors laugh at the SAT math including the SAT II math IIC. They said those are not really math tests.
Real math tests would be like AMC 10 or AMC 12. </p>

<p>Anyways, I respect all applicants who got in as a freshman and also as a transfer because most of them are hard working people, eager learners and at least smart. Don't look down on transfering students with the arguments that freshman applicants are smarter... </p>

<p>Look at the official UC websites, they have emphasized many times that transferring students have performed equally well as the admitted freshman students.</p>

513

<p>Kevin101 and Gabe seem to not getting my points. All I'm saying is that transfer students have it easier in getting into UCLA than the freshman admits. Lazy students can still transfer into UCLA easier than lazy students from highschool. How they perform after transferring stands outside of this argument.</p>

514

<p>Alright... sorry for the miscommunication...I agree on the point that the chance of getting into UCLA as a transfer is higher (implies easier) than as a freshman<<< yeah. <<<< this is the MAIN ISSUE then! However, this is ONLY OUR OPINION; DON'T take it as ABSOLUTE FACT, there is no study, experiments that prove this point! Only treat this as opinion! </p>

<p>How they perform after transferring stands outside of this argument. <<< Oh lol, but some of you have mentioned it, that is why it argued about the performance. <<< NOT main issue! </p>

<p>Got ya!!!!</p>

515

<p>Kevin101- Yeah, agreed on the point about how the SAT argument is ridiculous.</p>

<p>Kevintech- Transfer students DON'T have it easier! Although some characterize it that way, it isn't easy to go to a CCC for 2 years and succeed. Many successful high school students drop out of college, whether it is CCC or a UC or somewhere else. And I think it isn't right to say a typical high school course is harder than a UC transferable college course.</p>

<p>"Lazy students can still transfer into UCLA easier than lazy students from highschool."</p>

<p>That could be true, but even if it were, that doesn't mean the transfer route is easier for students.</p>

516

<p>"Lazy students can still transfer into UCLA easier than lazy students from highschool."<<< who said this? </p>

<p>This is NOT an argument at all!!!! This is a PURE FALLACY!</p>

517

<p>um...yeah, it's not an argument. It's a statement.</p>

518

<p>To do well on SAT, u have to very intelligent.</p>

<p>To get an A in an CC History class is like a joke... Teachers at cc give them out like candy.</p>

<p>I expirienced both things.</p>

519

<p>Well... yeah some classes in college is very easy just like you have said about the history class there... man you make me wanna change to history major and get the 4.0 GPA ...
I've taken the SAT too; for me the verbal is hard, but the math is easy. </p>

<p>For me, getting A in calculus, physics and chemistry is never easy; they are tough as hell for realz... :(</p>

520

<p>"To get an A in an CC History class is like a joke... Teachers at cc give them out like candy."</p>

<p>The SAT is supposed to test your aptitude for college work, not just college history classes. Your example of a history class doesn't work as kevin101 points out. There are classes of varying difficulty in high schools, community colleges and UCs</p>