<p>Are they absolutely mandatory to having them completed for a Philosophy or Art History major, for say UCLA or UCB prior to transferring, or are we allowed to finish them once we have transferred?</p>
<p>Its not mandatory to get admitted to the SCHOOL, but the prereqs ARE MANDATORY to start your upper division coursework for the major. And plus, the more prereqs you do, the higher chances you have to gain admission to the school of your choice.</p>
<p>Yeah, there's really little reason why you shouldn't be able to complete all the prereqs in two years if you're something like a philosophy major.</p>
<p>Na its okay, I didn't have mine all done for UCB and I got in.
But UCLA is a lil b'ch about it I had a 3.95 gpa and stuff and got rejected cause i was missing 2 pre-reqs. I hear they are the toughest on prereqs. I'm glad UCB was my first choice.
But in the end don't sweat it.</p>
<p>Not to sure.... Will it affect my chance for admission to UCLA if I have one pre-req(Multi-variable caluclus) not finished before transfer (after spring 2009) ? I have previously finished a 5 on the Caluclus AB AP exam+ an A in Calculus II (Equivalent to Cal BC) at my CC... anyway, my major is Biochem....so it damn requires Calculus III (Gosh)</p>
<p>For transfer purposes if its required or not really depends on your major and the department. Welcome</a> to ASSIST will help you if you are in a California Community College. For the most part some majors and departments are more strict than others. One major/department might require you that you MUST complete all pre-reqs before you transfer, some may say that you should TRY to complete as many as possible. In the case of completing as many as possible its always a good idea to complete all of it or miss no more than 1 pre-req if your major is very competitive.</p>
<p>As for upper-division courses you can take upper-division courses without having lower division courses. Some majors like math, or science based majors you would need to complete lower division courses because they are pre-reqs for the harder courses. Like you can't take Calculus II without Calculus I and you can't take harder math courses without completing the Calculus series. However, for majors like sociology or political science, there isn't a pre-req for say for upper division courses. When you sign up and you don't have the lower division courses completed then you aren't in the major and you might not get priority signing up for the courses. However, it is possible for you to take them. The only hard part is professors sometimes refer to some concept/idea/word that you would learn in one of these lower division courses. So you may have some problems understanding but its not a big deal.</p>
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<p>Kahn1988:</p>
<p>First off Kahn, Calculus AB is Calculus I + half of Calculus II and Calculus BC includes Calculus III. </p>
<p>I checked the UCLA biochem for my CCC's agreement and the requirements are not required but recommended. If the major is competitive, having done Calculus III is recommended. I would recommend contacting the UCLA chemistry and biochemistry department and see where their position is. I would try my best to take it at least in spring 09 if you can.</p>
<p>I was wondering why you are considering taking it after spring 09, big workload?</p>
<p>AwakenZero: Because I have Bio(genetics)+ Physics (Electricity and Magn.) + Organic Chemistry Lab for spring 2009 . I think that taking the multivariable calculus in addition to these is a bit more workload for me....But I might try in case if it will affect my chance for admission a lot.</p>
<p>P.S: By the way, for biochemistry major, we only need one year of biology right...as specified on the UCLA website..Thanks.</p>
<p>UCLA requires 3 life science courses and these tend to be biology coures at the CC level. Sometimes your CC does not offer all 3. Like at my CC there were only two courses are offered at the CC level. Therefore, you only have to complete the courses that you need that is offered at ur CC. Like if your CC only offers 1 of the 3 required courses then you can only take 1 courses and the other 2 would have to be completed when you transfer. I was wondering what is your CC and if its a California CC or not. As far as your chances of admission it is not impossible but if the major is competitive then there are people out there that would have the pre-reqs completed and you would have to compete with them.</p>
<p>I got into Cal and I took one pre-req (Stats) for my Sociology major over the summer. So by all means it is possible.</p>
<p>I only ask because I'm seeking admissions for Fall 09, this will officially be my 4th year in college. 2.5 at an art school where i realized i didn't want to do design/art.</p>
<p>and now at a community college. 1.5 years by the end of spring 09. i'm just scared because i k now i'll have igetc done and 60+units, but i don't want to wait until fall 10 admissions just to get 1 or 2 classes out of the way, JUST to get in.</p>
<p>should the pre req. be done before we go in as in fall 09, or before spring 09 so they can make the decision?</p>
<p>Thing is it varies from department to department at each university you are trying to transfer to. </p>
<p>History of Art at UC Berkeley will need courses at the UC campus itself and for the most part most CC courses will not meet the pre-reqs. You should talk to the department if any courses meet some of the requirement for the major. If none do then just complete as many "art history" courses at your CC and you should be fine since eventually you would need to take the required courses at UC Berkeley when you transfer.</p>
<p>Philosophy is the same deal and only some CCs have the courses to meet the lower division requirements. Same as above.</p>
<p>UCLA has more defined courses that match courses offerred at a CC.</p>
<p>Art history should not be a problem. Philosophy may be a bit more competitive since they have more people applying for the major.</p>
<p>I looked at what lower division courses you would need and it wouldn't be hard to complete it in one semester. Another question is did you decide this major just now or previously like a semester or two ago.</p>
<p>If the pre-reqs are required then they would always require that you complete the pre-req the spring semester before you transfer.</p>
<p>If its recommended then you can take it in the summer but having it in the spring makes you more competitive depending on the size of the applicant pool</p>
<p>To Awakenzero: I'm from SMC(Santa Monica College) by the way.</p>
<p>Heres the link assist page on your major:
ASSIST</a> Report: SMCC 08-09 UCLA Articulation Agreement by Major</p>
<p>Have you taken or will take Physics 23 : Waves, Optics, Thermodynamics? Since you said you are taking Electricity and Magnetism.</p>
<p>Also, I noticed it said at your college theres a course on BioChemistry that can meet one of the upper division requirements. I would take a look at that and take that opportunity.</p>
<p>To AwakenZero: I'm taking the general physics(Physics 9) series. Also I already finished my Biochem upper division last spring.</p>
<p>awakenzero, thanks for answering my questions. I've officially decided art history/philosophy this semester. i had previously thought of transferring in as an econ/business major and i realized a lot of that was me feeling the need to major in something that would equal job ease after graduation, but i realized that one of the reasons i dropped out of my former art school was because I lacked real education that you can't get by majoring in something just to get a job in the end, you know what i mean?</p>
<p>Most of my experience has been in art history, and usually the classes in art history have been the ones that have made me realize how much little i know about the world, and through studying art history i've realized the potential it has as a major to educate me and make me be a more critical/analytical thinker. I'm currently taking my first philosophy class and I'm in love with it. I think it has more to offer than art history, am i right? at the same time, I feel i could get the pre requisites done for ucla art history by spring 09, not so much the philosophy ones. so it's a debate between philosophy vs art history, even though i'm pretty sure more now than ever I want philosophy. the problem there of course is that ucla doesn't look at alternative majors so you can only apply as a transfer with one first major and you're either in or you arent.</p>
<p>Yeah UCLA's philosophy pre-reqs are pretty rough. Shoot for UCSD, USC, UCSB, and if you have the GPA, Berkeley. They all have good programs.</p>
<p>liek: It really depends what you are trying to do.</p>
<p>Art History at UCLA: art</a> history:the program:undergraduate</p>
<p>That is the department website and it gives an overview of the program and job prospect.</p>
<p>Philosophy at UCLA: Undergraduate</a> Program</p>
<p>If you are really unsure about ur major, check out the department sites at each university you are trying to apply for. It really helps.</p>
<p>Both art history and philosophy requires 4 lower division courses as a pre-req to the major. Usually at CCs, the courses are usually 3 semester units meaning 4 courses x 3 units = 12 semester units so you can easily do one or the other in a semester. I'm assuming you are on track with IGETC (either completed or will be completed by the end of fall).</p>
<p>Another thing you could do is major in art history/philosohpy but you have some/all pre-reqs for the other major. Once you transfer if you want to switch then just switch your major then.</p>
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<p>Kahn:</p>
<p>Soo the only pre-req that you will be missing is Calculus 3? And you will complete the chemistry, physics and life science pre-reqs by spring? Whats your current GPA?</p>
<p>To Awakenzero: Yep...Cal 3 Is the only one and I will be completing chem(only the lab portion) +physic+genetics by spring... GPA about 3.7 but I'm not a TAP student.</p>
<p>P.S All my igetc will be done by winter..</p>
<p>You should be fine, it makes u a bit more competitive to have the calculus course finished. However, if the wordload is too much I would not take it. As a starter, I got into Cal and took one pre-req over the summer and it was fine. Just make sure your application is solid and try not to have your GPA decrease since they ask for grade updates once you finish your fall courses.</p>