<p>On some articles I found today, it was talking about how UC Berkeley plans to admit more out of state than in-state. As a Californian, I think that it is not fair to us that if you can just pay more money, you will have a better chance of getting in. That just seems too economic based. Is this true?</p>
<p>No, they will still admit mostly in state students, but they will admit more OOS. Economic decisions are a good thing when you need the money as UC surely does:)</p>
<p>Oh I think I said something wrong. I know that they are still admitting instate more than OOS but they are admitting less instate this year just because they are getting more money OOS. So basically if you have the money, you get to go to college?</p>
<p>Keep in mind that in the UC system, the average out of state admitee is much more qualified than the average in state.</p>
<p>Reserved: yes, Cal and perhaps UCLA will admit less instaters so they can admit more OOS’ers. Yes it will make it more difficult for instaters, but the Legislature doesn’t much care bcos they want all campuses to be the same. </p>
<p>The other campuses may admit more but it won’t much matter bcos no one in their right mind would pay $50k per year to attend Merced. Thus, even if they are admitted to a lower tier UC, they won’t come.</p>
<p>It has to do that otherwise, it would go bankrupt.</p>
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<p>Maybe not Merced, but some will come for UCSB, UCSD, etc… UCSB is right at the beach, very attrative to some students.</p>
<p>So basically if an instater and an OOS person have the same stats, they’ll take OOS over instate? I don’t really like this idea, it is similar to “if you have the money, you get to go to college”</p>
<p>UC Berkeley to Admit Additional Non-Residents
Plan to Enroll up to 600 More Out-Of-State Students Could Generate $29.5 Million by the Fourth Year
October 2009 article from the Daily Californian. Google the article to clarify the facts</p>
<p>"So basically if an instater and an OOS person have the same stats, they’ll take OOS over instate? I don’t really like this idea, it is similar to “if you have the money, you get to go to college”</p>
<p>not true at all. JAM1007 is right - the avg OOS student is much more qualified than the avg in state. it just means they’ll take more OOS, evening the playing field by a little bit</p>
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<p>Unfortunately, this is how it works at most colleges. Very few colleges meet financial need, so having those with the money getting their choice has long been the American way.</p>
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<p>This is often repeated on CC but has no basis in fact that I know of. As far as I’ve seen, these schools do not publish stats of OOS students separately. From everything I’ve seen, it’s simply untrue. And to end another myth, UCLA has for years accepted a higher percentage of OOS applicants than instate. 26% vs 22% last year. But the number enrolled remains small because they yield far fewer of the accepted OOS students. In the end folks have second thoughts about paying almost the same price they would at a top private.</p>
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<p>Nope, not at $50k per. It’s a financially bad investment. Go ahead and try to sell your parents on paying $50k so you can go to school on the beach. hahahahahahahaha </p>
<p>Look at it this way, UCLA accepts plenty from OOS each and every year but yet few come. Cal has the highest yield for OOS, likely bcos it has the highest brand name. Sure, SD has a top bio-engineering program, but so does Johns Hopkins at the same price.</p>
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<p>Actually, it probably is true. The average below stat applicant is more likely lower income, first gen to college, attending a low API school, etc. Since UC currently gives big bonus points to such kids, that ain’t likely to change in our Blue State. Thus, I would guess what will change is that Cal will accept a few less kids from the large feeder schools, such as Lowell and Troy high schools, for example. </p>
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<p>True, but you can use UC statfinder to sort by instate and total separately, do the math and solve for OOS numbers. The short answer is that the stats of the OOS acceptees are nearly the same as the instate acceptees, at least at the big two campuses.</p>
<p>True, but you can use UC statfinder to sort by instate and total separately, do the math and solve for OOS numbers. The short answer is that the stats of the OOS acceptees are nearly the same as the instate acceptees, at least at the big two campuses.</p>
<p>Actually, you can use Statfinder with the “Region of home location” variable to find exact breakdowns. International students tend to have lower GPAs than average. Non-California domestic students tend to have near the same GPA (at least for the top two schools). It’s often stated that it is “much harder” for out of state students to get into UCs but this is a myth constantly perpetuated on College Confidential.</p>
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<p>True. But you do need an extra $100K, which is much harder for most!</p>
<p>That is true, but there are always people with money to blow who don’t have a problem doing so. UCSB actually has the 3rd highest rate of non-California domestic students among the UCs (even higher than UCSD), so I think a lot of out of staters are drawn to some of the non-academic factors the college offers. The year I transferred to UCSB, I had a roommate who was from Fort Worth and pursuing an engineering major; he thought it was worth every penny…</p>
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<p>It’s gotten much better over the past couple of years. When I first joined cc, it was often posted that OOS’ers needed Ivy-level stats to get into UC OOS. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Id have to disagree to the lat few posts. I knew several kids from my high school that got into top Ivy league schools, Northwestern, UChigaco, Emory, etc. and were rejected from UCLA and UCB. </p>
<p>Also to respond to the original post by TheReserved, UCB has less than 5% OOS. Even if they add an extra 600 for revenue purposes, it will not have a major impact on in state admissions. To give you an idea of how selective the UC system is towards OOS:
[Best</a> Public Universities for Out-of-State Students - Morse Code: Inside the College Rankings (usnews.com)](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2009/11/19/best-public-universities-for-out-of-state-students.html]Best”>http://www.usnews.com/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2009/11/19/best-public-universities-for-out-of-state-students.html)</p>
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Perhaps I’m looking too much into this one incident, but a top student from my HS who applied to an array of top colleges was rejected by Cal OOS despite getting into Stanford, MIT, Dartmouth, etc. Something doesn’t add up (4.0+ GPA, 2390 SAT). This happened in 2007.</p>
<p>No monstor344 you are right OOS admissions is significantly harder. They cite GPA to say that in staters have the same states but that is ridiculous. GPAs cannot be compared as easily, and do not forget the the California public school system is consistently ranked in the bottom during state rankings. This i why APs and SATs are important in applying to college.</p>
<p>OOS students typically have a higher SAT range and much more AP credits coming into there respective UCs.</p>
<p>It’s basically admit more OOS or increase tuition dramatically for IS. Which is better? Ehhh, who knows?</p>
<p>“Out-of-state students generally are held to higher admissions standards, which can boost a campus’ average GPA and SAT scores and national rankings.”</p>
<p>[UC</a> officials debate accepting more non-Californians to boost revenue - Los Angeles Times - Page 2](<a href=“For UC, richer pickings are out of state”>For UC, richer pickings are out of state)</p>
<p>From an article from the la times. Geographic diversity should be considered too, not just racial diversity. You might find that someone from the other side of the country has many more differences than you and as much variety as another Californian that is a different ethincity. But glassesarechic puts it well, it is a choice between paying more or allowing some more OOS kids.</p>