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The University of Californias initiative to recruit nonresident students specifically to capture their higher tuition is paying off.</p>
<p>Recently released figures show the systems nine undergraduate campuses expect out-of-state and international students to make up 12.3 percent of this falls freshman class, a sharp increase from 2010, when 8 percent of freshmen were nonresidents.</p>
<p>The University of California San Diego is the third most attractive campus to nonresidents. Figures released by UCs Oakland headquarters indicate that 18.2 percent of the students in UCSDs fall freshman class are expected to come from outside California, up from 9.3 percent in 2010. Only Berkeley, at 29.8 percent, and UCLA, at 18.3 percent, expect to have a larger percentage of nonresident freshman.
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The average UC tuition for California residents is $12,000 annually. For nonresidents, it is $35,000. A rough calculation indicates the added nonresident freshmen expected this fall will pay $43 million above what in-state enrollees would have paid in their place.
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UC officials insist that boosting out-of-state enrollment does not harm resident applicants. In-state freshman enrollment is expected to remain about even with last year at just over 35,000 across the system.</p>
<p>The UC campuses have the capacity to enroll as many California students as they have funding for, said Pam Burnett, interim director of undergraduate admissions for the UC system.</p>
<p>The campuses have more capacity than that. Unfortunately, there just isnt the funding. Realizing that there is capacity for enrolling more students, the campuses admitted nonresident students who were at least as well qualified as California applicants.</p>
<p>The extra tuition these students pay, Burnett said, allow campuses to maintain or add course sections and faculty positions that otherwise would be cut for budgetary reasons.
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the regents have capped overall nonresident enrollment at 10 percent, well below the approximately 30 percent found at some other prominent public universities, such as Michigan and Virginia.
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<p>As a resident of San Diego County whose local high schools send a number of kids to UCSD, I can tell you what has happened. Kids who would have gotten into UCSD in previous years didn’t get into UCSD this year, but were accepted to UCI or UCSB instead.</p>
<p>So many kids weren’t “harmed” by the increased acceptance of OOS applicants since they were given a place in the UC system. But I do believe that in state kids are definitely affected by the increase in OOS acceptances.</p>
<p>(Plenty of OOS kids have posted on cc that UC have given them need-based grants; thus, they ain’t paying full fare and that $43M is in question.)</p>
<p>Note, they also don’t yet mention the “quality” of the students. Several posters were accepted to Cal as OOS but rejected/wait-listed by 'SC…</p>
<p>bluebayou, the 12.3% mentioned in your first quote is OOS enrollment in this year’s UC freshman class. The 10% cap is on overall OOS enrollment, covering all undergraduates. </p>
<p>I’m surprised to hear that OOS students here on CC are saying that they’re getting need-based aid from UC. Could you give more details?</p>
<p>We are California residents. I don’t know if this is what you are talking about, but last year at UCLA’s parent orientation I went to the Financial aid discussion, and the “financial aid guy” explained to the out of state parents that the maximum “free money” they would get would be up to the “in-state” tuition price, and that is the same for our kids when they go out of state to public schools.So if they are getting grants it is only up to the “in-state” price.</p>
<p>SC is very selective so not getting in is hardly a mark of UC taking inferior students. USC has its own agenda. Not to mention you might know (second hand I am sure) of a dozen cases out of 1000s that are not representative of the entire population.</p>
<p>tx5 Few state U’s have the money to give grants that large to many OOS students. Kinds defeats the entire purpose.</p>
<p>ST: it gets even better. A couple of cc student posters have claimed that UC has even told them that they would qualify for instate tuition in year 2. (I hope that they got that in writing…)</p>
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<p>Correct; which means of course, that California tax payers are subsidizing the needy OOS students! (If the full cost of educating a student is ~$33k, and and OOS’er is only paying the OOS surcharge of $23k…)</p>
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<p>Well sure, after the Regents built the Legislature’s version of Field of Dreams in Merced…“build it and they will come”?</p>
<p>Giving OOS students subsidies seems counter-productive and a mis-use of my tax dollars and a further expense for the state which already doesn’t have enough pennies in the piggy bank to pay its bills. It isn’t as if there aren’t enough qualified students IS, and especially a combo of IS and full pay OOS to adequately fill most of the UCs - especially UCSD, UCLA, UCB. It doesn’t make any sense. </p>
<p>I posted this because there have been discussions as to whether the UCs could even attract enough full pay OOS students to be significant and it seems that they may be able to. They also say it doesn’t have an impact on IS but I don’t really see how that’s possible since the only way they could do it would be by either expanding programs enough to accommodate the OOS, which would have a cost that’d likely negate the income from them, or they’d have to give up some IS spots for the OOS people which obviously has an impact on IS admission.</p>
<p>From what I understand, the UC’s are “need blind” in regards to admissions. So how would they distinguish the full-pay students and the not full pay students. Just not offer OOS any financial aid? Aren’t some of the grants used for them federal vs state?</p>
<p>A lot of the “financial aid” offered boils down to loans rather than grants and some percentage of these OOS students are actually international students - there are a lot of students from Asia.</p>
<p>I don’t know how it works with any grants, federal vs state, OOS vs IS, but I would expect they wouldn’t apply to international students regardless (but I could be wrong).</p>
<p>I think they mean that SYSTEM-WIDE they are capping at 10% - not that any school has a 10% limit. I suspect Merced has 0% (others more, but less than 10%) and so they can add a lot at UCB, UCLA and UCSD.</p>
<p>Absolutely not. The UC’s give bonus ‘points’ in admissions to low income kids and/or those who attend low income schools. Otherwise, it is highly unlikely that Cal & UCLA would be comprised of ~33% Pell grantees.</p>
<p>btw: this is a similar practice to other so-called need-blind colleges. (Williams even counts “low-ec” acceptances as they go through the admission season.)</p>
<p>Regardless of the reason, the UCs have the income information if the applicant provides it. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to be denying in-state fully-qualified full-pay students while admitting OOS students who may pay the same amount. In fact, it risks alienating some CA residents/voters, who will no longer support the UC system, including by way of alumni donations when their kids are denied. I understand the “egalitarian” goals of the UC system, but it is silly to cling to them in dire economic times. They can revert to favoring poor kids when the crisis is over, but they may never get back the supporters they have alienated.</p>
<p>I don’t see how non-residents pay the same amount as residents.</p>
<p>And people keep saying the UC give grant to OSS. There are 2 kinds of grant in the UC financial aid: Pell grant and Cal grant. In order to receive Cal grant students must be a California resident and graduate from a California HS. OOS students can receive federal Pell grant in any public and private college. International students cannot receive federal grant. That’s what I understand unless I can see the evidence showing the other way.</p>