<p>I was looking at all the UC system universities and their admissions and student body, and I was wondering why theyre so "hostile" to out of state students and even more to internationals? I was really attracted by UCLA and UCSB but i see they only have a small percentage of int'ls and out of state students. i dnt care about the diversity because i fit in well with californians, i know quite a few and i dnt mind if everyone looks the same its just im 90% sure of not being accepted seeing they have so few int'ls.</p>
<p>I know what you mean and I thinks that really sucks too, because I love UCB and would love to go there. I can understand why the UC's are like that, though. I mean, they are state schools, funded by the state of California (and what not), so I understand that they have to admit Californians first. And after that, there apparently just isn't much room left for int'ls.
Oh well, what are you gonna do about it, right?</p>
<p>yeah youre right. its just frustrating, cus theyre one of my best matches, and even if i do get accepted the tuition is very expensive for out of state students.</p>
<p>As was said, they're state schools. They are funded by the taxpayers of California, so that's why you pay extra if you're OOS. Other state schools have more OOSers, like Michigan, which is 1/3 OOS. California is a huge state, and thus there are plenty of well-qualified students in-state -- so why bother with OOSers? Californians are their priority. On top of that, the reason the percentage of OOSers is so low is that 1) people know it's really difficult to get in OOS, so many are discouraged from applying, 2) they know that it's going to be very expensive (about the price of a private), and 3) they know they won't get much financial aid.</p>
<p>As an added note, it's difficult to call many UCs "matches" if you're OOS; even many of the "lower" UCs reject OOSers simply because they have enough students.</p>
<p>if you can get into uc berkeley, ucla, ucsd out of state, then you likely could get into a even higher ranked school elsewhere, possibly private, for similar tuition. this doesnt meen not to consider uc's, but many individuals would feel that they could get a smaller setting and more personal attention for the same amount of money. uci/ucsb/ucd are also difficult oos, just not as much so.</p>
<p>I remember when I was living in California a number of years ago, there was a revolt by many California parents whose children could not get into the more selective UC's--and at that time, it was decided that there would be less and less students admitted from other states. After living in various other states, and seeing tuition costs rise, as well as vast improvemnts in state collage academics (honors colleges, etc), I believe that we will begin to see this happening in other places also, and schools will be pressured into taking more in-state students. I read an interesting article about Miami of Ohio University, which came up with a novel approach to this dilemma. It accepts its entire freshman class without regards to state residence, and then gives resident scholarships to in-state students, thus lowering their tuition. Taxpayer money is used to subsidize these scholarships, and therefore, state residents don't feel as if they're paying taxes for non-state kids to attend their schools. The article said that this gives the university much more control over who is accepted, and it said that more and more schools might try this approach.</p>
<p>no other state university values the place u were born so much as stupid UC's</p>
<p>Umm, everyone looks the same in California? I've heard there are still a few non Asians left if that's what you meant.</p>
<p>Why all the hate? Out of state students certainly will pay more at a UC, but that is the practice for state schools in nearly every state. Out of staters are by no means unwelcome at the UCs. For example, for 2007 out of state applicants had a higher admit rate (25.3%) than in-state applicants (23.8%) at UCLA:</p>
<p>And I can't put my hand on the exact figures right now, but it's much same story at UC Berkeley -- OOS and in-state have nearly the same admit rate.</p>
<p>^Yes, but it's easier for in-state kids to get into the top UCs. The oos kids are, on average, 'more qualified'</p>
<p>And MORE kids apply to the UCs from California than from outside.</p>
<p>Many Californians wish our state schools were more open to OOS kids, they would just become better as the grad schools are, which mostly do not favor in state kids.</p>
<p>RootBeerCaesar: it isn't about where you were born; it's about where you hold residence status, and thus where you, or rather your parents, pay taxes.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>Many Californians wish our state schools were more open to OOS kids....<<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>Yeah, Californians wish that right up until the moment their kid gets rejected by his/her first choice UC.</p>
<p>"Many Californians wish our state schools were more open to OOS kids...."</p>
<p>Not if they have a high schooler, they don't. G-Mule, I see that you are an international, so I can understand the honest question. As others have stated, the Univ of California system is primarily paid for with state taxes on California citizens, so they get first priority. Other top US publics do the same, including UMich, UVa and UNC. The difference with Michigan is that the young 'ens are a declining cohort relative to other states (pop growth continues in the south and west), so UMich needs to attract more kids from OOS.</p>
<p>Blue, I for one would love my DD to be more interested in a UC--at a $20K plus savings/yr over what I'm about to pay. I think if they were even just 30% OOS like many states hold it at, they would be much more interesting places for undergrads.</p>
<p>Yeah its pretty hard for OOS kids, but its nice if you're living in CA.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>I think if they were even just 30% OOS like many states hold it at, they would be much more interesting places for undergrads.<<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>How so? It's not like California has a homogenous populace in the first place. I live in SoCal and at least 2/3rds of the people I know moved here from somewhere else. Ever go a Red Sox or Yankees game at Anaheim Stadium? Nearly as many people cheer for Yankees or Red Sox as do the Angels. The place is filled with people from the east coast.</p>
<p>When I was attending UC Davis I was a California resident who not that long previously had been an Oregon resident and prior to that Florida. The OOS people are already here in abundance; but they've just lived here long enough to claim CA residency.</p>
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<p>Mostly true, except for the small details that</p>
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<li><p>About 27 to 30% of UC's current operating budget is coming from federal sources. </p></li>
<li><p>Two-thirds of all basic research at UC's campuses is funded by the federal government. </p></li>
<li><p>Federal programs provide nearly 60% of all financial aid for UC students. </p></li>
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<p>As an example, those small details amounted to a total of $6.31 billion in federal funds supporting the UC in 2000-2001.</p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://www.ucop.edu/federal/facts.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.ucop.edu/federal/facts.html</a></p>
<p>xiggi:</p>
<p>feel free to throw up Austin's numbers while you are at it. </p>
<p>The fact is the UCs are controlled by state residents thru their legislators. Taxpayers choose not to enroll OOS students. Your home state has the Prez -- go talk to him about federal finaid, which, of course is under the jurisdiction of a certain senior senator from Massachusetts.</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure that UCs are state-funded. Citizens of CA pay taxes so that it is cheaper than private schools for their children. Why should they be paying tax dollars to help you benefit from their school? Your parents are paying taxes to fund YOUR state school, just go there if you're not willing to go private.</p>