<p>How do you feel about the increase?</p>
<p>I feel that I am being penalized for have 'too much' income. The increase goes to help with financial aid.
1. free tuition for family income rasided from 70K to 80K
2. If your income is under 120K, the increase doesn't apply</p>
<p>Please correct me if I got the information wrong. I know it was our choice to attend a UC.....</p>
<p>I don’t agree with the idea of increasing tuition just to pay for more free tuition for students with incomes up to $80k.</p>
<p>What about the family who makes $82k, but has 2 kids in college and 2 kids at home? They still have to pay. What about the family that makes $79k and has only ONE child? They get free tuition!</p>
<p>Also, in the case of divorced parents (where both parents are involved with the child). If the custodial parent makes $60k, and the NCP makes $60k, the kid gets free tuition.</p>
<p>That’s why this is so ridiculous.</p>
<p>How much is the increase?</p>
<p>The increase is 8%.</p>
<p>OP: You need to get over the tuition increases as these are justifiable. Why all tax payers have to bear the burden of educating some of the students? Till high school every child get’s a chance to attend it. Not every child is eligible to attend UC and should not be penalized with the tax burden to fund something that is not even available to them.</p>
<p>On an average following is the order of income capabilities of graduates of
UCs
CSUs
CC
High School Diploma
High School Drop Out</p>
<p>Why those who won’t even attend UC pay towards UC students education. Think on the larger scale not just where the children are attending.</p>
<p>[San</a> Francisco Chronicle’s piece.](<a href=“http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/11/18/MNAE1GE908.DTL&tsp=1]San”>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/11/18/MNAE1GE908.DTL&tsp=1)</p>
<p>UC tuition has certainly crept up this decade, one of my DDs began at a UC and her tuition each year went like this:
Freshman $4k+
Sophomore $5k+
Junior $6k+
Senior $7k+
This was in the booming early 2000s and there was never a peep anywhere from any source about the increases, it was odd to see the hubbub over the past few years, as it seems like they just keep jumping it $1000 plus or minus, each year. My DDs tuition nearly doubled, but no one complained.</p>
<p>I do think this new fin aid thing is odd. Like Blue & Gold, they are pledging free tuition up to a certain income, but don’t nearly all those people qualify either for Pell Grant and/or Cal Grant? I knew a couple of kids who got under-privileged “all expenses paid” scholarships and they both were set up to first access Pell & Cal & other grants with the award organisation kicking in the last money owed. It seemed like the organisation was taking kudos for a full ride when they were not actually providing the money for the full ride, same with the Blue & Gold.</p>
<p>So, just how many kids who don’t get a Cal Grant will get this new money?</p>
<p>Somemom, I agree. It helps middle income kids who don’t have a 3.0; their income cut-off us much lower under the Cal Grant. Still, it does seem like there is a lot of program overlap.</p>
<p>I do think this new fin aid thing is odd. Like Blue & Gold, they are pledging free tuition up to a certain income, but don’t nearly all those people qualify either for Pell Grant and/or Cal Grant? I knew a couple of kids who got under-privileged “all expenses paid” scholarships and they both were set up to first access Pell & Cal & other grants with the award organisation kicking in the last money owed. It seemed like the organisation was taking kudos for a full ride when they were not actually providing the money for the full ride, same with the Blue & Gold.</p>
<p>Blue and Gold promises free TUITION! Those other sources of aid cover other educational costs. What “organization” is taking kudos for a “full ride”???</p>
<p>Actually, low income kids get all of it…Pell, Blue and Gold, and Cal Grant money…to cover tuition, room, board, etc. Cal Grant A or Cal Grant B gets doled out depending on what gives the student the most aid overall.</p>
<p>Estimated Cost of Attendance
Basic Living $13,854.00
Books and Supplies $1,601.00
Fees $13,082.00
Transportation $722.00</p>
<p>Total Cost of Attendance $29,259.00</p>
<p>Contributions
Student Self Help Expectation $2,750.00
Student Contribution $0.00
Parent Contribution $0.00
Additional Resources $0.00
Total Contributions $2,750.00</p>
<p>Financial Need $26,509.00</p>
<p>Estimated Financial Aid
Ac. Competitive Grant Est.-$750.00
Cal Grant B Estimated- $1,551.00 Cal Grant
Federal Direct Loan Sub-$3,500.00
Federal Pell Grant Program- $5,550.00 Pell
Federal Perkins Loan- $2,000.00
UCD Campus Fee Grant- $630.00</p>
<h2>Entering UG Scholarship - $12,528.00 <a href=“Blue%20and%20Gold”>B</a>**</h2>
<p>Total Estimated Financial Aid $26,509.00</p>
<p>Remaining Cost $0.00</p>
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<p>The person making $82k isn’t going to be paying any extra this year though. And I doubt it’s full fin aid vs. no fin aid for those over the cutoff.</p>
<p>Interesting read also related to budget issues…
[“Giving</a> up State Funds,”](<a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/09/07/ucla]"Giving”>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/09/07/ucla) published in September by Inside Higher Education.</p>
<p>Increasing OOS students is a good idea. However, the UC cannot completely get away from the state control unless it returns all the land, the existing buildings, the material properties and intellectual properties to the state of California.</p>
<p>*What about the family who makes $82k, but has 2 kids in college and 2 kids at home? They still have to pay. What about the family that makes $79k and has only ONE child? They get free tuition!</p>
<p>The person making $82k isn’t going to be paying any extra this year though. And I doubt it’s full fin aid vs. no fin aid for those over the cutoff. *</p>
<p>Actually, any student whose income is above Blue and Gold, Cal Grants, and doesn’t qualify for Pell, will literally only get loans and work-study and maybe a small grant from a UC. That’s a huge contrast from someone who is making just a little less money.</p>
<p>That’s what’s VERY frustrating for many middle class families in Calif. They don’t make much money, they don’t qualify for Pell, Cal Grants, etc, so they don’t get much (if any) “free” aid even though they’re only make a few thousand more.</p>
<p>The person in the low income scenario is getting about $20k per year in free grants. The person making just above that is getting FAR less.</p>
<p>^^ inaccurate. </p>
<p>"Faced with a $1 billion budget gap, UC Regents today (Nov. 18) approved an 8 percent tuition and fee increase for 2011-12 and expanded financial aid for low- and middle-income California students.</p>
<p>Regents voted 15-5 to raise tuition and fees by $822 for all UC students in the 2011-12 academic year, bringing undergraduate cost to $11,124 (a systemwide average of $12,150 when individual campus fees are included).</p>
<p>At the same time, regents also expanded the UC Blue and Gold Opportunity Plan to cover all systemwide fees for financial-aid eligible California undergraduates with family incomes up to $80,000. This year the eligibility ceiling is $70,000. In addition, the university will provide financial aid-eligible California resident students with family incomes below $120,000 grants to cover the 2011 fee increase. "</p>
<p>[University</a> of California - UC Newsroom | UC regents increase fees, financial aid](<a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/article/24527]University”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/article/24527)</p>
<p>What is the problem with the California school system that tuition keeps going up?</p>
<p>1) the tuition is too low to cover costs? (in-state tuition is still considerably less expensive than most other in-state colleges.<br>
2) California can’t control costs overall and the university system is only one part of the problem? See ETA below.
3) Too many students are getting in-state rates (see attached article)?<br>
4) too many CA students opt to attend their in-state vs other choices? (how does their in-state ratio compare with other in-states)? Solution: accept more OOS.
5) Higher percentage of residents need financial aid compared to other states</p>
<p>Courts determined that illegal immigrants pay in-state tuition rates. This may “happen” to be coincidental, but maybe not.
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<p>ETA: my mom lived in CA for 35 years. Her property taxes were obscenely low because the house didn’t “turn over”; they lived in the same house all that time. What a crazy system of how to determine property taxes: bump it up whenever a house is sold, otherwise leave it alone. Eh??? No wonder why they are about to have a financial collapse.</p>
<p>Lets look at the one bright point - they changed the name from fees to tuition!</p>
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<p>The problem is the state budget. Instate tuition is way, way too low to cover costs, and always has been. Now the state has an enormous budget deficit, so all state programs are being squeezed.</p>
<p>^Totally agree with you Cardinal! Everyone loves to complain, but that low tuition is unsustainable.</p>
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<p>College for $4K and we’re not talking FA!!! Trying to put a bandage on it by adding $1K increase isn’t enough.</p>
<p>Thanks M2CK, for the details. I had wondered if the tuition being covered was merely the part that was not already covered by Pell/Cal; I had not been clear that the kids still got the full Pell/Cal grants for costs of living & books, that would be a better deal than I thought…my kids have graduated, I don’t want to think about what we could have gotten were they just beginning!</p>
<p>On the scholarship marketing, there were a couple of URM kids DD knew, they talked about their package (I don’t recall the name, but back in the day I looked it up and read the marketing), all the UC grants were there, then the organisation made up the rest of the COA, which was great, but it wasn’t quite how it read. I thought the B&G probably worked the same way.</p>
<p>Californians have had it easy, in terms of educational costs. University of CA always was a bargain: a world class education from world renown schools for about the same price that some states charged for community colleges. </p>
<p>Bummer it had to change. But the UCs are still a remarkable system that, financially, remains relatively accessible to most residents.</p>