@marypavlenko Not at all. At 2%, Chicago for RD is same level as HYPSM. Maybe even more difficult.
Shocked to see smart people excited about Chicago waitlisting all of us. This is intentional - they’re laughing at how gullible you all are:
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They want every kid to think “Oh, I almost made it!” It preserves the self-esteem of the kids and the image of the school.
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They want future applicants to think that "Oh, that other kid last year had pretty average stats, but s/he almost made it. If I tweak my application, I might make it. If you outright reject applicants, sooner or later, word gets around that if you don’t have certain stats, there is no point in applying.
Chicago is jerking us around, manipulation. Don’t fall for this crap. It’s not cool.
@Harvard2022maybe at #1359: how so? They admitted 100+ fewer applicants than last year. Let’s say they only end up with a class size approximating the Class of 2020: 1600. That’s not going to happen given that they enrolled 1740 this year, but let’s assume it does. That’s a yield of 70%. With their aggressive use of ED, do you really think that will happen? Class of 2020 was admitted under 100% non-binding plans (EA and RD) and they had accepted nearly 2500 kids that year!
You don’t scale down the number of admitted students unless you expect to raise the yield over the prior year. 1700 enrollees implies just under 75% yield. This is where I believe they will end up. We will know for sure once they release the numbers in the fall.
@lizzy1234: Many if not all top schools are choosing to go heavy on the waitlist now. It’s kinder and keeps the door open. UChicago is no different. If it’s more aggressive than other schools in this matter (wouldn’t surprise me) that’s a difference in degree, not in kind. So if “Chicago is jerking” you around, they all are.
Waitlisted (intended major in chemistry)
International student (female; asian)
ACT: 33 (E 33 ; M 35 ; R 33 ; S 32)
SAT II subject tests:
Math II: 800
Chemistry: 790
IB predicted grade: 44/45
HL Chem HL Econ HL English
SL Math SL Chinese SL Physics
Congrats to those who got in and GL to us all who got waitlisted! fingers crossed
@lizzy1234 No reason to be angry about it. They use it as a tool. These schools are businesses too, after all. You can’t blame them for trying to get the best, and the most money.
is Cornell admission released! sounds weird I thought it was on the 29th
@eurus19 likely letters have been sent out. and it’s the 28th.
Just wanted to reiterate what I wrote on the other thread,
Please don’t fret whether you will get in to what is considered a top-tier college or not. Sometimes, comparing yourself to colleagues is very disheartening, especially when viewing those qualifications on paper. These schools admit so few people, that large numbers of qualified applicants who were not admitted can probably fill up stadiums, the accepted ones and denied ones, indistinguishable from one another.
Most of the kids going to top these schools are no different than you. That you even applied demonstrates your ambitions, and you’ll always have those qualities to carry you toward your pursuits.
Good luck to all of you and hope you’ll love your college experience no matter where you decide to go.
@Harvard2022maybe First, congrats. As a Harvard alum, it is my humble opinion that UChicago is absolutely top notch. Does not get any better. Second, UChicago yield last year was 71% and this year will be higher, given the unprecedented low 7.1% admit rate. So your 55% yield is way off. Cheers.
Accepted as a Molecular Engineering major!! Completely expected a rejection since no one usually gets in from my school
@becky7700 Did you sent apply for aid and what is your result? I sent it and waitlisted.
@Chrchill, I hate to be the one to say this, but it appears that UChicago has gone to one extreme by focusing too much on the yield. It seems to be taking more students in the early rounds (it has 2, not just 1 early), but it also is a turn-off for a few. Yield isn’t everything, unless the only thing you are after is the college ranking, just my 2 cents. Full disclosure DD got deferred EA and admitted RA, refused to be pushed into ED1 or EDII since she wanted total control of her college choice.
@Holistic2 this is generally the mistake people make when they talk about yield (as if this was some holy grail).
- ED allows those students who have a university as there top choice, commit to it early.
- There are way more qualified applicants who fit a particular university than slots, so, like it or not, ED is a filter for the AO’s
- An 6% change in yield makes almost no difference in USNWR rankings so those who make that argument haven’t done the math.
- The class itself gets a cohort who want to be at the school.
- In relation to number 2. No AO wants to admit a student who has no real intention of attending - wasted effort.
- It does shift the “advantage” to the school, but in return you get a higher chance of acceptance.
- It also causes issues for those applicants who are not sure they can commit with the estimated FA, however this really only applies to those in the “donut hole”.......which, I’ll concede is the majority.
It’s funny how in negotiations, one party only sees their side of the argument (and when this happens negotiations tend to fail), if you worked in admissions and you had to do what’s in the best interest of the university, what would you do? There are a lot of factors in that come into play here. Yield being way down the list.
There is no doubt, in UChicago’s case, they are trying to create brand awareness, and they are attacking that issue on multiple fronts with a good degree of success whether anyone likes it or not.
Congrats to your DD, she got her cake and gets to eat it too. Sometimes you just have to push back against the flow so I congratulate you/her for doing just that and being successful (that’s actually the important part).
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@Holistic2 “Early Round” doesn’t mean EDI and II. It means EA and EDI. Both last year - the new year of ED - and this year they seem to have accepted about half the total admits in the Nov. 1 round of applications. That’s consistent with their historical admissions policy when they just had EA and RD.
What UChicago is doing is going aggressive on is Binding vs. Non and handing out generous need-based in order to attract a wider assortment of applicants with a first preference for UChicago. You are spot on that ED takes the bargaining control away from the applicant. Given that your daughter was accepted RD, she made the right choice by not applying binding. Hopefully she’ll get a great merit package to woo her to UChicago.
Hey I didn’t know how to do that grey rectangle either. Thanks, @aoeuidhtns !
@CU123, Regarding why any AO would even consider offering admission to someone who has no real intention of attending… Intention is not binary as one may suggest. Why would anyone apply if they have no intention of accepting? Intention could be on a scale (1 to 10 say) and things such as how engaged the school is, what kind of package is offered, what decisions are being handed down in the various rounds in relation to similar data from other schools may increase or decrease the intention to enroll. Why would a college want to settle for those and only those that would accept right away? I see this no different from someone applying for jobs and considering multiple offers before deciding. Granted this looks at things primarily from the applicant point of view.
@holistic my statement was incomplete, “to someone who has no real intention of attending if another college(s) offers admission.” Really, why do you think these colleges have so many essays on an why an applicant wants to attend their university.
Multiple acceptances as well as multiple job offers give the advantage to the applicant. If you are buying a house, how cost effective is it to get into a bidding war with other people? Great if I’m the seller, not so much if I’m the buyer. ED tends to balance that out. JMHO
@Holistic2 I’m was making a factual point, not advocating a substantive position one way or the other. I look at schools more as cohorts, not as individual rankings. At the top elite level, admission rates are so insanely low that it has become a total roulette game.
Nice you knew by mid-April about the gap year… I know the odds are extremely low, but I must admit as a mom it’s kind of fun just thinking about the possibility of a gap year for my son (it’s just something that has never crossed my mind at all until reading this). Wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to have him stick around for another year waiting out the time that he’d be off to an amazing school like UChicago…I know, I’m pathetic…lol…