UChicago Math+Econ Double Major Possibility

<p>Hey,</p>

<p>First of, just wanted to mention that I have gathered what limited knowledge I could on the possibility of double majoring but have yet to come to a definite conclusion (granted I have ~3 years to come to one). </p>

<p>About me: I'm a good student (2300; top 1 %; olympiads; maths research; oh and I'm int'l) and am proficient with (and look forward to) proof based mathematics. I don't think UCs notoriously difficult math major will be too much of a problem for me and I plan to give AP BC Calc (expecting a 5) and the Calculus Accreditation Exam. </p>

<p>On the other hand, I haven't had much exposure to economics (aside from freakonomics, biographies and a few Thomas Friedman books :p). I do plan to buy a few econ textbooks and brush up before leaving next fall but nonetheless will have to take foundational economics courses in UC. (no placing out of anything)</p>

<p>I look forward to the intellectual challenge studying economics in UChicago will pose (though I may be underestimating it), but I do want to graduate with a good GPA (in the ballpark of 3.7)</p>

<p>So questions:
1. Is it possible? (to graduate with a GPA of 3.7 with socially starving myself)</p>

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<li><p>What is the likelihood of my getting invited to Honors Calculus on the basis of the accred exam?</p></li>
<li><p>What is the likelihood of my getting invited to Honors Analysis on the basis of the accred exam? How many students manage this? (UC catalog characterizes it as "a small number of students")</p></li>
<li><p>What downsides does taking Math with specialization in econ pose? What upsides does it pose? (I don't know about what I'll end up doing...Vocationally. I'll probably end up as at least a hobbyist mathematician, if not a downright researcher.) </p></li>
<li><p>Is it possible to triple major? (Computer Science, Math and Econ) Is it possible to double major in math with spec in econ and computer science? (If so, this would definitely be an upside to the math with specialization in econ route)</p></li>
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<p>Thanks for putting up with the long post, and thanks in advanced for your answers :D</p>

<p>There are lots of other people who can answer these questions better than I, but I’ll have a go:</p>

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<li>Of course it’s possible to graduate with a 3.7 GPA, and without socially starving yourself, but it’s also possible to starve yourself socially and graduate with less than a 3.7 GPA. A 3.7 GPA probably puts you somewhere in the 80th-90th percentile of graduates. In other words, lots of people achieve at that level, in every major, but lots of very, very smart people who will go on to have great careers fall short of that. It’s not just a question of working hard, although working hard certainly helps. Talent enters into things a lot. And recognize that while you may be the smartest person in the room in all your high school classes, you may never be the smartest person in the room at the University of Chicago. Or even the second-smartest. That’s OK, because not being #1 doesn’t mean you stop learning and stop being a valuable person.</li>
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<p>Just don’t obsess too much about your GPA. If you want to, you can probably find courses that are easy enough or graded easily enough that they will boost your grades. Don’t give in to the temptation. Study what you need to learn, not what you need for grades.</p>

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<li><p>Honors Calculus is in many ways the signature course of the Chicago Math Department. They love it, and secretly think everyone should take it. If you are even half-competent, and you are willing to try it, they will let you. If you have a 3 or higher on the Calculus BC exam, but are not obviously a candidate for Honors Analysis, they will recommend you take Honors Calculus. If you have a strong background in calculus, you should be given a chance to take the inquiry-based section of Honors Calculus, which is almost like a different course, one that math people tend to love but which takes a lot of time.</p></li>
<li><p>Very few people are recommended for Honors Analysis. They tend to have a strong background in math courses well beyond the Calculus BC level, and a lot of experience with proofs. Chicago attracts a lot of students interested in math, and graduates about 100 math majors per class. Of those, 10-15 might qualify for Honors Analysis as first-years.</p></li>
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<p>Unlike Harvard, though, where Math 55 is only open to freshmen, Chicago lets second-year students take Honors Analysis if they have done well in Honors Calculus. </p>

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<li> Math with specialization in economics is what the Economics Department at Chicago tells you to take if you want to pursue a PhD in Economics. They would rather you learn a lot of math and a decent amount of economics than a lot of economics and not quite a lot of math.<br></li>
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<p>I don’t know what the “downside” is, unless you dislike math or aren’t very good at it, or unless you don’t want to work that hard. (Lots of people have perfectly good reasons not to want to work that hard. Like EC activities that take a lot of time, teach them a lot, and may be more important for their future careers than classes.) There are a lot of different paths through the Economics major, and some of them are a lot more rigorous (and mathy) than others. If all you know is that someone got an Economics AB at Chicago, you don’t know all that much about his skill levels without looking carefully at his transcript. With Math/Specialization, you know the person is a stud without anything more.</p>

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<li> Every year, it seems like a couple of people triple major. It helps if the fields are closely related/adjacent, like CS and Math, or Math and Econ. It probably helps a lot if you place out of the Core language, biology and physical science requirements, since that would effectively give you an extra quarter-and-a-half to take courses that meet major requirements. To my mind, however, it’s kind of a stupid thing to do. Employers and graduate schools really don’t give a crap about double or triple majors.</li>
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<p>One of the real joys of college is taking a few courses that don’t relate to anything just because they seem cool. The ability to do that is far more valuable than that third major, and triple-majoring means giving it up. If you majored in Math and had a few CS courses on your transcript – enough to show interest and some skill level – you would be a serious candidate for 90% of “CS” jobs, as well as for a bunch of jobs where people wouldn’t necessarily want CS graduates.</p>

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<li> If you haven’t been admitted yet . . . save these questions for April.</li>
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<p>First of all thanks for the thorough response! I certainly don’t expect to be (even remotely near) the smartest person in the room in UChicago, but my fears of graduating without a semi-decent GPA have been warded off.</p>

<p>Honors Calculus is a course I have been looking forward to taking, so its nice to hear that I may be taking it in a years time. </p>

<p>Also, regarding question 4, I meant the downsides of taking Math with spec. in Econ rather than double majoring in Math and Econ… Is the former a more structured version of the latter, or does the latter have more to offer. How will potential employers view them.</p>

<p>Lastly, I have all but abandoned the idea of triple-majoring after seeing your response, as well as other responses in similar threads.</p>

<p>Thanks :D</p>

<p>PS: Got in EA… (int’l with aid :o , but I’m still not convinced that it wasn’t a clerical error :p) and paid my enrollment deposit the same day.</p>

<p>Friendly BUMP…</p>

<p>Lol about being worried about not placing into honors calculus - I placed into elementary calculus with my grades and online placement test. I then took the accreditation exam and improved my placement into regular calculus. I got into honors calculus by personally asking the director to put me in. I’m sure you will have no worries about being able to take it.</p>

<p>If you want a head start, perhaps you can buy the book “Calculus” by Michael Spivak. It is the proof-based calculus textbook we use for honors calculus, and I imagine if you study it in the 9-10 months between now and when you enroll, you’d be in a good position to place out of calculus. Note honors analysis isn’t the only option beyond honors calculus. There is also regular analysis and introduction to analysis.</p>