UChicago or Yale for (undergraduate) math?

<p>I am lucky to be accepted by both of these schools, and I was wondering which was stronger for undergraduate math.</p>

<p>Other factors influencing my decision are the social atmosphere and ability to pursue the arts. I love UChicago because of its "life of the mind" culture, house system, and interdisciplinary classes (video game design? heck yeah!), city resources. I love Yale because of its arts program (esp. visual), residential college system, and the social support network. </p>

<p>I know that UChicago is more "well known" for math, but is there a big difference between the two? I will be visiting both of them later this month, as well. I am also considering (at UChicago) the applied math major with a concentration in Computer Science, as well as a minor in art or creative writing. </p>

<p>Some more information about my math background: I have taken Multivar Calc, (Ordinary) Diff. Eq., and an abtract math class (introductory knowledge about groups, sets, quantifiers, fields, etc, as well as proof-based problem solving.) </p>

<p>Thank you.</p>

<p>Yale has a fine program I’m sure, but it isn’t one of the ones commonly listed as the “best”. In terms of Putnams and grad school placement I suspect it does fine. When I was searching for colleges (so last year), the head of the undergraduate program at UMich Ann Arbor told me that the best schools for undergraduate math were “Princeton, Stanford, Harvard, and Chicago” (admittedly he did his PhD under Sally, so take that with a grain of salt, also his list seems to lean heavily towards universities as opposed to LACs).</p>

<p>EDIT: A huge factor is what you want out of the math major. Uchicago is probably a better choice for an academic pure math major. If you simply want to major in math, then take that into a different career supplemented by minors/concentrations you may need to weigh other factors.</p>

<p>If it’s math, then UChicago is definitely the place, and it’s not particularly close. Top 5 program in the country for both undergrads and grads…</p>

<p>… but only if you’re really up for a challenge. Math classes at UChicago can be absolutely mind-bending.</p>

<p>In retrospect, my post came off as a little lukewarm, I’ll just go ahead and agree with UchicagoGrad that in terms of just math, Chicago has a pretty solid lead. But it is a challenge.</p>

<p>Chicago definitely has a better community for math majors. Yale graduates fewer than 20 math majors a year, and Chicago has about 8% (~120) of undergraduates majoring in math.</p>

<p>Yale and Chicago are really remarkably similar places. Their intellectual cultures are very close to one another (although Chicago brags a little more about it). They have theoretically similar housing systems (except Yale’s works much, much better). Chicago actually has a significant arts culture, now – I think there are more students involved with theater there than with any other extracurricular activity – although it is nowhere near as extensive or as professional as at Yale. They are both urban universities. They even have similar architecture.</p>

<p>Lots of people will tell you that it’s crazy to think of picking Chicago over Yale. But it’s not. Chicago has two enormous things going for it that Yale can’t provide. </p>

<p>First, what Mimes said: There is a wide and deep math culture at Chicago. Math is one of the most popular majors, and people in other majors pursue advanced math, too. The Yale math department isn’t so much lower in quality than Chicago’s that your undergraduate education would suffer there. But math is mainstream at Chicago and not at Yale. You will have lots more peers at Chicago. </p>

<p>Second, while the University of Chicago’s formal arts programs are not as impressive as Yale’s – although they are trying to catch up – when you step outside the university you are in one of the great arts cities of the world, one that has major institutions (the Art Institute of Chicago, Steppenwolf, Chicago Symphony) and thousands of working artists at street level. New Haven is an OK small city, Yale has wonderful museums for a university, but there’s nothing like the vibrancy and pizzazz of Chicago without going to New York, and you aren’t going to do that more than a couple times per semester.</p>

<p>Then there’s Chicago’s Core Curriculum, which you may see as an advantage or disadvantage. If you like it, you can pretty nearly duplicate it at Yale with Directed Studies, but you can’t duplicate the fact that everyone at Chicago has it in common. If you don’t like it, it’s a major argument in favor of Yale.</p>

<p>Yale has lots of other things in its favor, too. It’s way cushier and more privileged than Chicago, and more plugged-in, whether in Washington, Wall St., or SoHo. The quality of student music, visual art, drama there is stunning, and almost everyone gets involved in some way. In many ways, Yale is the template for what Chicago is trying to become (and largely succeeding). If you were interested in any major that wasn’t one of Chicago’s very strongest, you probably wouldn’t be asking this question.</p>

<p>have reported this ■■■■■ once again…he really should stick to Duke that he is so proud to have been admitted to…sad…</p>

<p>@gravitas2: …? </p>

<p>Thank you JHS for your very balanced comment. I am definitely factoring in that Yale has ~20 math majors whereas Chicago has ~80. But wouldn’t this mean that there are less resources to compete for at Yale?</p>

<p>^^sorry Saffy. That was in reference to bobthebear (■■■■■) who was removed by the supermoderator earlier this morning.</p>

<p>saffy, you can certainly treat the relative intimacy of the Yale math major as a plus, if you want. But learning and scholarship isn’t a zero-sum game. Fewer people bumping into one another means fewer ways to learn, and fewer ideas generated. And from what I know (which is entirely second- and third-hand), the math major undergraduates at Chicago don’t feel they are “competing for resources” with one another so much. But, sure, the ratio of faculty and grad students to undergraduate math majors at Yale is very high.</p>

<p>80 is too low a number for Chicago math majors, by they way. That’s just primary majors, and it doesn’t count applied math or statistics. Math is a really popular double-major leg, because so many other fields relate to it. I think there are usually well over 100 math majors per class, and probably a whole bunch more who are a couple of courses shy of meeting the requirements for a second major in math when they graduate.</p>

<p>I chose Yale, btw. The environment just seemed more much inviting and friendly to me, at least on the visit days.</p>

<p>Certainly not a bad choice! Good luck at Yale.</p>