UChicago vs UIUC

<p>Ok I know this may seem like a totally ridiculous question to some of you, but the decision deadline is only a few weeks away (like 2) and I'm completely stuck. I've narrowed my list of the original 8 schools I was considering down to UChicago and UIUC. Technically UChicago is considered a "better" school because it is ranked higher nationally and it is more selective. On the other hand, I'm not just going to college for the education. I want the entire college experience. I've heard things about UChicago like "it's where fun goes to die" and "the squirrels are pretty than the girls and more aggresive than the guys." UIUC generally has a better social reputation. With financial aid, both schools come out to be relatively the same cost so, for once, money is not a major issue. I've heard split opinions about both schools. Just as it is with any college some people love them and some people hate them. I guess my questions are:</p>

<p>1) How good/bad is UChicago's social life honestly?
2) Do the opportunities of graduating from UChicago really outweigh the opportunities of graduating from UIUC (I plan on majoring in something English-related)?
3) Where would you go if you were me?</p>

<p>Thanks to anyone who offers their advice!</p>

<p>I think I know what you mean by the “college experience,” but I would counsel you against letting your pre-conceived notions about the typical “college experience” influence this decision. In the grand scheme of things, 4 years is not very long. But these are critical years because they will shape the rest of your life–how you think, who you’re likely be friends with, what you’ll do for a living, etc. </p>

<p>“Happiness” is a strange thing. Is it possible that kids who spent 4 years going to frat parties, drinking cheap beer, going on spring break to cancun, and otherwise never leaving their sheltered suburban experience were “happier” than I was in college? Sure. And that is the typical college experience, and that is more likely to happen at UIUC vs. Chicago. </p>

<p>You could also slip me into a drug-induced coma and pump me full of prozac, but I’d rather experience life (and all of its ups, as well as its downs). “Stupid but happy” just isn’t for me. To most people, esp. 18-22 year olds, “happiness” really means being in their comfort zone, getting drunk/laid/etc. and not working very hard. That’s why, to me, life isn’t about “happiness” but about experiencing all our world has to offer. That necessarily will take you outside of your comfort zone and expose you to some things that don’t make you “happy”–hard work, homeless people, Montezuma’s revenge, etc.</p>

<p>On to the questions themselves…</p>

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<li><p>The social life, at least when I was at Chicago, was actually pretty good (and I’ve heard that, if anything, it’s gotten better). I had no problem finding people to go out with, although there was definitely a lot less of it on weekdays than on your typical college campus. There is also definitely more studying than on your average college campus. But the fact remains that you are in one of the world’s greatest cities; if you can’t find something fun or interesting to do there, you’re not trying hard enough. I would instead compare the two schools as that between traditional college fun (i.e., drinking at frat parties, eating buffalo wings, going to football games, etc.) vs. cosmopolitan/mature/nerdy fun (i.e., going to jazz clubs, trying Ethiopian food for the first time, discovering you actually appreciate modern art, etc.). </p></li>
<li><p>Yes and no. For the most part, a highly motivated UIUC grad can do just about whatever he/she wants. Trust me when I say that in the past year, there was likely a UIUC grad starting at Harvard Law, one working for a publisher in New York, and one working in finance in San Francisco. It’s also true, however, that far more UIUC grads go to school and get “lost in the shuffle,” so to speak. At the end of the day, I honestly believe that any individual 18 year old’s chances of becoming a successful ______ (and that blank will likely change 2 to 27 times before they graduate) are a lot higher at UChicago than UIUC. Are there successful UIUC grads in just about every field? No doubt. Is the percentage of successful grads in each of those particular fields (I guess with the notable exception of engineering disciplines) higher for UChicago grads? In my experience, yes.</p></li>
<li><p>I’m not you, and I don’t know nearly enough about you to venture an educated guess. I know me. And I don’t think I’m some unusual, nerdy guy. My four years at Chicago were incredibly difficult, sometimes miserably so, but ultimately very fulfilling. I wouldn’t trade them for any other college experience. And note, I did have a somewhat more “typical college experience” when I went to law school at Michigan. I went to football games, went drinking on Tuesday nights, and so on. Was it fun? Yes. Am I glad I did it? Yes. If I had to choose one experience vs. the other (i.e., have only gone to Chicago or Michigan), I would not hesitate to choose Chicago (although I’m glad I got the opportunity to try both).</p></li>
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<p>The squirrels are NOT cuter than the girls (unless you look at it from a squirrel’s point of view). They may be more aggressive than the guys, but that’s not such a bad thing – do you really want guys eating your snacks without an invitation?</p>

<p>Fun at Chicago and at Illinois is somewhat the same and somewhat different. Students at both colleges have access to beer, sweet girly drinks (and other stuff), people they may want to hook up with, and popular music. However, the frats and sororities around the University of Chicago are going to be far less awesome than at Illinois. Ditto the sports teams and the tailgating scene. And there is a critical shortage of quality cow-tipping opportunities at the University of Chicago. On the other hand, it’s much easier to go to the Chicago Symphony Orchestra or the Lyric Opera, the Art Institute, or to White Sox games, or even the Cubbies. And I bet if you are hanging around Urbana at 3 am with nothing to do, you won’t be able to go to the library and find an automatic social scene.</p>

<p>English majors are pretty hard up no matter where they go to college. I have one at Chicago, and I’m all on pins and needles hoping she doesn’t have to come back home. Unless you are talking about PhD programs, I doubt Chicago English majors have an easier time finding their first jobs than UIUC English majors (maybe harder, because they are less likely to have taken accounting courses or gotten a teaching certificate at the same time). But they are smart, well-educated people who know how to think critically, how to dive deeply into a subject matter, and how to produce thoughtful, rigorous work fairly quickly, and those are all pretty good job skills that contribute to career success.</p>

<p>Warning: rather biased, raw opinion. Please stop reading if you can’t stomach it ;-)</p>

<p>I did my Ph.D. at UIUC. I remember well dealing with masses of undergrads who came to the lectures I led as a TA in a cavernous lecture hall. I was not very experienced and totally amateurish and many, though not all, students were unmotivated and boorish. (I don’t think my being an inexperienced TA caused them to be that way, since the large lectures led by faculty professors were full of same puerile and boorish students…). The overall party school atmosphere defined by puerile Greek frats was a real turn off for me. Of course, you could say I was just being a prude. Anyway, that image of a large state U, even the one like UIUC with a very good overall rating, led me to wholeheartedly agree to pay a full tuition for my S1 at U Chicago starting this fall, while he had a full ride scholarship as a top honor student at a OOS flagship with a similar ranking as UIUC’s.</p>

<p>Unless you really feel that the seriously intellectual atmosphere at U Chicago is a real turn off for you, and you really would enjoy the school atmosphere defined by the largest Greek presence in the nation, then I would definitely, definitely advise you to go for U Chicago. My god, most parents on the parents forum are advising their children to choose full ride State U over elite private schools when the price differential is like $50K/year, but the money is probably the only reason to make that kind of a trade off. In your case, why in the world would you ever choose UIUC over Chicago when financially it’s a same deal. The college fun is overrated. It’s only four years!!! You will live many decades after that, and believe me, there is A LOT of fun to be had as an adult. Besides, you understand that UIUC is in the middle of the corn field, right??? When I was doing graduate work at UIUC, at the end of each semester, we used to all pile up on a truck owned by one of our officemates and head to Chicago for a day to remind ourselves what civilization is all about. </p>

<p>I am NOT trashing UIUC by any means. It’s a fine institution, but U Chicago, it ain’t. Granted, if you are highly motivated, you can get education at UIUC just as good as what you can get at U Chicago. However, there is a difference: it’s in the air you breathe and water you drink. There is such a thing as a “general atmosphere” that defines the place, and seeps into your soul one way or the other.</p>

<p>Four years of priceless education at one of the world’s best, most intellectually stimulating places like U Chicago!!! If I can be a teenager again, what wouldn’t I pay to have the kind of education my son will have! I am so jealous of him.</p>

<p>If money is not a factor, I suggest trying Chicago for at least a year. It will be no big deal if you decide to transfer on in to UIUC down the road. There is always a little freshmen bleed for people who would rather be back near home.</p>

<p>Wow i have the same problem! I think i know who you are molly1009… are you a molly that lives in Chicago? If you are the molly I think you are then its funny because I know who you are and you don’t know who I am… creepy… haha</p>

<p>“students were unmotivated and boorish.”</p>

<p>My take on UIUC is that the students have no clue what a great university UIUC is and how many stellar faculty members are there. I also think many are bitter that they did not get into Northwestern or Chicago and had to move out of Chicago. (The engineering students are the exception)</p>

<p>I would go to CHICAGO.</p>

<p>thanks everyone for the advice.
Lovelyshakencoco - i may possibly be molly from chicago :wink: , who are you??</p>

<p>Go to Chicago. Just trust me on this one.</p>

<p>go Chicago, trust me.</p>

<p>If money is not an issue and engineering is not your intended major, The University of Chicago should be an easy choice.</p>

<p>The OP has literally graduated from college…</p>

<p>The thread is 5 years old. Use old threads for research only. Post questions in an new thread. Closing</p>