UCI- REGENTS SCHOLAR/HONORS vs. USC

<p>hey guys,</p>

<p>i'm an out of stater and was accepted into the Campuswide Honors Program and am also a UCI regents scholar. i am currently debating between USC and UCI. i was not able to attend the CHP day and i don't know anyone who is in the program. it sounds like there are a lot of GREAT benefits though.</p>

<p>so, i was wondering if any of you would be able to tell me more about the program and if it makes up for the difference between UCI and USC in terms of academic quality, prestige, etc. i mean... well idk maybe it's just my perception (don't want to offend anyone!!!!) but it just seems like because UCI is a large public university and USC is private and well-funded... but anyways, more about the honors program. does anyone know how many honors classes you'll get in comparison to regular courses, etc? is it that different than being a regular UCI student (because if that's the case, i prefer USC). also, i am currently undecided but i know UCI is strong in the sciences, so that is quite a draw. however, since i am not entirely sure i want to go in that direction, i am wondering about the strength of their other academic areas? like possibly journalism ( i know they are the only UC campus that has a journalism major but USC does have annenberg so that's a plus)</p>

<p>i don't want to sound snobby or anything, but i am currently under the impression that USC has a much better reputation overall compared to UCI and for me, i think this is important in terms of getting jobs, etc. the main thing holding me back from USC is the location and campus aesthetics. i mean, UCI kicks USC's ass in terms of how pretty the campus is. does anyone have useful insight? i'd greatly appreciate it. i know time is ticking....</p>

<p>thanks</p>

<p>PS. sorry, i am desperate. i posted this in the UCI forum but any help from ANYONE would be great. seriously. thank you:</p>

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UCI kicks USC's ass in terms of how pretty the campus is.

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<p>My daughter attend UCI Regents event and did not like it that much. She likes USC campus much more than UCI. UCI does not kick USC's ass in this area. However, UCI is very safe area. She did like the professors there but she does not think UCI comes even close to USC. However for her major(not science), UCI ranks higher than USC. So my advice is if money is a big problem, go to UCI.</p>

<p>I would go for USC if cost isn't an issue. UCI's reputation is improving, but USC probably has a better reputation, and USC's reputation is improving as well.</p>

<p>yes, well, i meant, that the SURROUNDING AREA of UCI kicks USC's ass.... it's orange county vs. southern LA. huge difference. but yes, thank you for your insights! and cost is not really a problem, although i got NO financial aid from USC.</p>

<p>does UCI waive the OOS fees under a Regents? If not, what is the total cost to attend UCI vs. the $50k for 'SC? The reason I ask is I don't think the UCs are great value for OOS kids - for the $, I'd recommend a private college. That being said, USC has its own culture (quite a bit of money), great spirit (football), and loyalty (Trojan Family) and great alums, at least in SoCal, none of which are big at UCI. Also, UCI is kinda dead on the weekends.</p>

<p>bluebayou, that's what i've heard. no, i still have to pay the OOS fee and i got NO aid from USC. sucks. but i am still willing to go there if i would get a better education with more opportunities and such... although i'm completely aware of the whole "it's what you make of it" kind of thing. but thanks for your input!</p>

<p>if the money is not much different, then I would opt for the private college.</p>

<p>Hey localgirl08!</p>

<p>I’m currently a second-year student at UCI. So, I know more about UCI, and USC was my dream school (still is, maybe I’ll go to grad school there). I have a heart for both. I’ll try to give as much insight as I can.</p>

<p>CHP: I myself am NOT in the Honors Program, but I do know some stuff from reading about it on-line and talking to other people. I do know that students in the program do have to take a year-long honors sequence (such as honors science, honors humanities, honors social science) that non-honors students don’t take. Also, people in the program are required to write an Honors thesis before they graduate. </p>

<p>There are MANY benefits to being in CHP: As a freshman, you will already be set with a group of people to meet/make friends with, especially since you will probably be living in the CHP dorms. Right now (I don’t know how long they’ll keep it this way), CHP students get 4 years of guaranteed on-campus housing. (And believe me, this is a GREAT benefit! I had to find an off-campus apartment for next year, and it’s a hassle!) You get to attend events and meet professors that other students won’t. And CHP looks VERY, VERY GOOD on your resume or grad school application, no matter what career or field you choose. </p>

<p>Academics: UCI is very strong academically. The English department (which includes Literary Journalism) is a very prestigious program. Keep this is mind, though: UCI’s journalism program is Literary Journalism, which means it focuses on a creative, narrative style of reporting (the style you would find in The New Yorker). USC’s journalism program focuses on more common newswriting, broadcast, etc. (the style you would find in The LA Times or The New York Times) So, you might want to decide on what style you like better.</p>

<p>And if you chose another major, UCI is strong in any field you can choose. Although I would say that UCI’s greatest strengths (from my personal experience and observations) are Biological Sciences, Physical Sciences, and Humanities. I’m not sure what USC’s strengths are, but I have heard a lot about their film school, music department, Annenberg, and Marshall School of Business. </p>

<p>I entered UCI undeclared, and am still deciding between 4 different majors. So, I have taken classes in almost everything, from English, biology, psychology, sociology, history, math, business management, you name it. Almost every professor I’ve had has been OUTSTANDING. Keep in mind, though, that UCI is a public research school, so the professors focus more on research than on teaching. So, you lose a lot of individual attention (unless you work on a research project with a professor.) And many lectures contain anywhere from 80 – 400 people. (But then there are discussion sections with around 25 people.) The EXCEPTION is English and Literary Journalism classes! Most English and LJ classes have 20 – 25 people. </p>

<p>I know USC is also a research school, but I don’t know how their classes are.</p>

<p>Prestige: Yes, USC is more well-known than UCI. Yes, Annenberg would impress many people if you go into journalism. However, HOW WELL YOU DO is more important than prestige. And, UCI does have a good reputation, and is getting better and better. If you’re worried about your career, I personally think that your talent and accomplishments are more important than the name of your school. (Although, after reading both newspapers, I would say that USC’s paper The Daily Trojan would give you better experience than UCI’s paper The New University. But even then, it’s about how well you do.)</p>

<p>School Spirit: If school spirit is a high priority to you, choose USC. I am proud and grateful to go to UCI, but if there’s anything I regret, it’s the (extreme) lack of community. There are many days where I wish I wouldn’t have gone to UCI, and instead went to a CC and transferred to USC, so I can be a part of that Trojan spirit, with football games, rallies, being in the marching band, alumni loyalty, etc. This is the main reason why I consider USC my dream school, and UCI the runner-up. </p>

<p>Aesthetics: UCI has a BEAUTIFUL campus. Can’t argue with you. Never seen USC. Not much else to say, except that some days I walk through Aldrich Park (the center of UCI) and it takes my breath away. </p>

<p>So, I hope this helps.</p>

<p>Also, remember things like location to other places, cost (of course, USC would be more expensive), and any other stuff that is important to you.</p>

<p>Good luck!!!</p>

<p>I dont think any of the UC's are worth attending for Out of State Tuition unless you're getting a full ride, with the exception of UCB and maybe UCLA. </p>

<p>USC would be the better choice in my opinion. I say choose UCI if you plan on going to grad school immediately following UCI. USC has the rep and network that dominates so cal, so naturally UCI will fall inferior.</p>

<p>liek0806 -- I might agree with that as regards the regular programs. Honors puts a whole different face on it. Honors removes most of the frustrations commonly discussed regarding large public research universities.</p>

<p>thanks a lot everyone! </p>

<p>veritas822 muchos appreciation for your thorough response! i'm probably going to USC but there's still this part of me that wonders how i'd fare at UCI just because of their honors program. one of my friends told me, "the average USC student is similar to the UCI honors student" meaning that the education i'd be getting as a regular student at USC would be equivalent to the honors education (minus the whole CHP community thing at UCI + a more well-funded school with more school spirit). so bottom line, USC would be better in all areas of academics because they boast a strong curriculum overall even for normal students. UCI's CHP does require a core curriculum but i understand that i'd still be in some classes with many in-staters which still holds true to the negatives of large public research universities. agree or disagree?</p>

<p>...or maybe i should just say screw it all, it's how i make of my college experience and that i could succeed anywhere i wanted if i put the effort into it. >_<</p>