<p>Hey all you fellow ucla admits and students, I just got an email from the AAP program inviting me to transfer day, im seriously thinking of going but i dont know very much information about the program. Also i don't consider myself a minority, i am low income however and part indian so that may have played a roll. Can anybody give me some information on the program? and is anybody else considering going?</p>
<p>AAP is the UCLA version of EOP. Program information: [Academic</a> Advancement Program (AAP) - UCLA Division of Undergraduate Education](<a href=“http://www.aap.ucla.edu/]Academic”>http://www.aap.ucla.edu/).</p>
<p>AAP is mainly for low income and minority students, as you stated. I’m probably going to get yelled at for being politically incorrect, but generally AAP is to help these kids because they tend to be dumber than the rest of the UCLA student body. This isn’t always the case, but it generally is. Kids from low income environments tend to have a weaker academic background and tend to perform poorly at UCLA. AAP helps with tutoring services, counseling, and basically hand holds their students with workshops and whatnot.</p>
<p>If you’re independent and know what you’re doing, you won’t need any of their services at all. For some, AAP is a godsend and a beacon on campus. For others (like me), I see it as a waste of time and and never needed its services. If anything, I felt like they caused inconvenience for me.</p>
<p>For instance, they put my account on hold just so I could meet up with a counselor to tell them I’m on track to graduate, when in fact, I am indeed on track to graduate. They just wanted to put me on hold cause they wanted to talk to me. They didn’t realize that putting on me hold 2 days before my 1st pass enrollment date almost screwed me over. Thanks AAP.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t say students are “dumber,” they just struggle some when they first start at UCLA. It’s sort of honorable that UCLA takes a chance admitting these students that it probably shouldn’t, and then nurtures them so that they can handle the workload. It really exemplifies its mission as a public university.</p>
<p>I do agree that if you’re independent and know what you’re doing, you’ll probably be fine. But obviously UCLA wouldn’t have AAP if that was the case for most of these chance-y students.</p>
<p>First off thanks for the responses guys! The reason i was thinking of attending is because i read somewhere about being able to sign up for classes early, but that seems to be only if you attend the summer class program which i wouldn’t do. I am only low income because ill be considered independent by the time i transfer, so i wouldn’t consider myself disadvantaged in that aspect. Also i already attended a campus tour and got a feel for the campus. What you guys said makes alot of sense, i dont need my hand held to get threw college, i just thought there might be some significant advantages but that doesn’t seem to be the case! Im just going skip it and concentrate on my finals for the following week! Thanks again for the input</p>
<p>So if I got an invitation to AAP transfer day it means I’m an idiot? Dang. They let me in only so they could nurture me? Wow, this sucks, a definite blow below the belt for the old ego. I knew there had to be reason I got admitted…</p>
<p>norcaltransfer77, you are not an idiot. You got into UCLA and many people can’t say that. I am attending UCLA majoring in Applied Mathematics. I am also a military veteran who has been out of school for 10+ and as a veteran, I qualify for AAP. </p>
<p>Not only minorities are accepted into AAP; if you are a transfer you also qualify for AAP. This is due in part because for many students coming from a community college the transition might be a little overwhelming. </p>
<p>What I’ve learned so far is that if someone lends you a helping hand you take it, evaluate the situation and then make a decision. Many people who do not qualify for AAP wish they could… I know many such people personally. AAP does offer tutoring, and believe me: not needing it and having it available to you, is a lot better than needing it and not having it. In the end it is you who wil end up taking the tests and not your tutors and certainly not your AAP counselors.</p>
<p>By the way, congratulations on your acceptance to UCLA.</p>
<p>"I’m probably going to get yelled at for being politically incorrect, but generally AAP is to help these kids because they tend to be dumber than the rest of the UCLA student body. " </p>
<p>I wouldn’t consider myself dumb. You’re discouraging others from joining a program that helps. Thanks.</p>
<p>^He means that people from low socioeconomic backgrounds tend to be less prepared (and therefore seem less smart) than other students. They obviously aren’t very dumb if they got into UCLA.</p>
<p>“AAP is mainly for low income and minority students, as you stated. AAP is to help these kids because they tend to be dumber than the rest of the UCLA student body. This isn’t always the case, but it generally is. Kids from low income environments tend to have a weaker academic background and tend to perform poorly at UCLA. AAP helps with tutoring services, counseling, and basically hand holds their students with workshops and whatnot.”</p>
<p>Messages such as the one above from “notaznguy” exemplify the ignorance and hatred that is still present in our campus. Wow, aren’t you cool for being independent? Not really…you have just been indoctrinated into the Western individualist ideology of “do everything on your own; you don’t need anyone to succeed and if you do, you are weak.” That is obviously not true, as you depended upon many people (including your parents who are probably paying for your tuition) to get admitted into UCLA. It’s also known as privilege.</p>
<p>I’m willing to bet that there was a time when you knew nothing about UCLA and attended this thing called orientation and you still see a counselor, etc. Your egocentrism and defiance probably made you forget, though.To shed knowledge to your ignorance: AAP and non-AAP students go through the same admission process altogether. One is first admitted and THEN offered to admission to AAP. In other words, you compete with students who are the best of the best to get in and then get invited to AAP. Contrary to what your post suggests, race has not been taken into consideration in the UC system since 1998. And the claim that low-income students are “dumber” and “perform poorly” is simply false. These students simply may not have had mommy and daddy hold their hands through school since they were babies and up until high school. </p>
<p>If anything, these students are stronger than traditional students who have extensive support and probably have their parents pay tuition. Many of them are independent and have earned scholarships to attend UCLA. In other words, these students might just be smarter than you “notaznguy,” as they have overcome difficult life circumstances such as extreme poverty, living with one parent (or no parents), being victims of a socioeconomically-discriminating K-12 education system, etc. I can go on an on…but hopefully you all get my point.</p>
<p>In conclusion, (and to address the original question) AAP is an amazing program supporting students on campus. I highly recommend it to any person to whom it is available. As another poster stated, there are people not in AAP who wish they were in it. The program treats you as a person rather than a 9-digit number on a screen. </p>
<p>Oh yeah, and by the way: I’m an AAP student admitted with a 3.88GPA into one of the most competitive majors at the school. I am also an honors student doing my own research and planning to do departmental honors. </p>
<p>Gotta go to class, now. Go Bruins!</p>
<p>Look dude, I don’t really care about getting political with you. I’m gonna say it again. If you’re a hustler and you don’t someone to hold your hands, then you don’t need AAP. If you’re someone who can take care of him/herself, then AAP might even be a burden for you. It was for me. Let me tell you know why.</p>
<p>Yes, first, you’re right. The first time I had to meet up for a mandatory meeting with a AAP counselor was relaxing the first time I stepped on campus. It was relaxing for all 60 seconds. The minute I stepped into that room, I realized what a bunch of non-sense it was. The counselor was basically reviewing to me things like, “Oh hi ____, did you know UCLA has lots of resources? Yeahhhhhh. You could do research! And internships!! And get to know professors!” YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH like omg it’s like I didn’t know that already!!!</p>
<p>I’ll tell you the worst thing AAP ever did to me. During my senior year, I was “short” on units to graduate. Of course, I wasn’t really short because I had high school AP class units that would more than exceed the minimum unit graduation requirement. The day before I am suppose to enroll in my classes, I found out that AAP put an academic hold on my account. I freaked out. My enrollment was in 24 hours, and there was a hold?! WHY?! I really needed to use my 1st pass to get into a super popular major class that was nearly filled up. So I decided to go down to AAP and ask why the hell was there a hold on my account. Turns out, I needed to schedule a mandatory meeting with a counselor to discuss my units. So I did. I scheduled a meeting later that day, and we spent 30 minutes talking about my unit shortages (and don’t let that 30 minutes fool you. 5 minutes of it was to figure out why I had a hold. The other 25 minutes was me freaking out and demand assurance that this crap would never happen again). The counselor said, “You might not know this, but you don’t have enough college units, but since you have enough AP units, you will graduate on time.” UHHHHH…thanks dude. Like I totally needed you to tell me that. And that was it. Yes. They put me on a academic hold just to tell me that. A simple email would’ve sufficed and a hold wasn’t necessary, but thanks for almost screwing me over AAP.</p>
<p>If you want to throw out credentials, I was a UCLA student who graduated in 2012 with a 3.6+ GPA. I now work at a major company doing business analysis. AAP helped me get there. Not.</p>
<p>I automatically got in as a transfer admit. I never went to meet with a counselor or anything. Is there a way to get out of this crap?</p>
<p>To get out of AAP, ask at the front desk in Campbell Hall how to change counseling units. There is a form that must be filled out.</p>
<p>From the AAP website:</p>
<p>AAP consist of a collection of innovative programs that enroll approximately 5,600 students from multi-ethnic, low-income, first generation, and multiracial backgrounds.</p>
<p>AAP was created in 1971 out of the consolidation of UCLA’s Educational Opportunity (EOP) Program and High Potential Program (HPP), two early efforts to widen access for students from historically underrepresented backgrounds.</p>
<p>Approximately 59% of AAP students are from historically underrepresented backgrounds (Hispanic/Latino, African American, and Native American).</p>
<p>Approximately 80% of AAP students are the first in their family to attend college.</p>
<p>AAP graduates the highest percentage of historically underrepresented students in the UC system, the California State University system, and among major public research universities in the country.</p>
<p>So contrary to what Robyn is stating, AAP is not some academic honors powerhouse program. It was aimed at helping students who may potentially struggle upon their arrival at UCLA. It’s a good program for those who need tutoring and guidance, but if you aren’t that type of person, you won’t ever really use their resources.</p>
<p><a href=“Academic Advancement Program – University of California, Los Angeles”>Academic Advancement Program – University of California, Los Angeles;
<p>Hello all, I just want to make this clear. If anyone receives an invitation to be part of the AAP FSP or TSP summer program, DO IT! You may not realize what a great opportunity it is until you are actually in the program. Not only do you get to start classes ahead (with most or all of it paid for) but you also develop friendships that will last you a lifetime. I can tell you from experience, that being part of FSP changed my life. So don’t hesitate when you get the opportunity to sign up.</p>
<p>^ I agree so much! I was in FSP as well last summer and it made my transition to college so much easier!</p>
<p>@doit2me So according to your logic only rich kids from private schools should be admitted to UCLA. I get the whole point that people should get in by merit. Of course the UC’s have a right to admit students from public schools, don’t forget that UCLA is a public university. If you want to make an argument that AAP should not exist then make some decent points and stop talking about race all the time.
You start sounding like Donald Sterling. </p>
Hello
I have a quick question
FSP starts on monday and I was not aware that I had to pay such a big amount of money.
My question is if I say I do not want to attend FSP anymore do I still have to pay?
I was going to live there.
Please answer ASAP