<p>Please list the pros and cons of both UCLA and UCB, thank you. (I am deciding on which school I should aim for.)</p>
<p>Visit and decide which one you like better. If you can't visit shoot for UCLA, bc westwood is way nicer than berkeley.</p>
<p>Probably a better idea to get into both <em>first</em> and then decide which one you want to go to instead of figuring out which one to "shoot for".</p>
<p>Berkeley also has San Fransisco but a 10 minute train ride from campus. </p>
<p>Visit both. Both are great schools and I don't think you can go wrong with either.</p>
<p>Yes, but visiting the campus tells me only about the campus, not the academics. Of course tour guides are going to make their school sound good. However, I won't know anything about how the classes are, which is a huge factor.</p>
<p>Then you might want to post in UCB's and UCLA's forums to see how the academics are. Just be sure to mention what you want to study as major can influence the decision.</p>
<p>With the exception of a few majors, both schools are very similar academically. If they weren't, this thread would not have started and your decision would have already been made. For instance, very few people decide between UC Riverside and UCLA. Therefore, you should really visit both campuses. It's not so much about hearing the tour guides speak but experiencing the atmosphere of both campuses. How do the people act? how do they dress? Do you fit in? Do you see yourself here for four years? Do you like the weather? Do you like the land surrounding the school (Westwood vs Berkeley)? The list of questions goes on, but you get the point.</p>
<p>By the way, you should decide between the two after you have been accepted by both. Because many people get accepted to Cal, but rejected from UCLA, and many people get accepted to UCLA, but rejected from Cal. So there's a chance you will only get into one, so decide afterwards (you have a month to decide).</p>
<p>Cal and UCLA traditionally accept similar people. 4.0+ students, 2000+ SAT scores, leadership and volunteer activities. So by shooting for one, you're automatically shooting for the other. However, if it's a matter of only applying to one, and having to choose between the two, you should look into what major you would like to pursue. Cal's engineering program EECS is one of the gem's of their undergraduate program, but if you're looking into pursuing a medical field, UCLA has built up quite a reputation. That's only naming 2 major fields off the top of my head. You should probably check out their home pages and the UCLA and Cal forums to figure out which school is right for your major.</p>
<p>What major are you applying for? UCB and UCLA are academically indistinguishable, especially at the undergraduate level... I would also recommend you visit both campuses to help you decide.</p>