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<p>UC</a> freshman admission rate drops a bit; more than 10,000 wait-listed | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times</p>

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UC freshman admission rate drops a bit; more than 10,000 wait-listed
April 14, 2010 | 10:50 am
California’s high school seniors faced slightly tougher odds to gain admission to the University of California this year and more than 10,700 of them were offered a spot, sometimes several, on the university’s new and controversial waiting lists, according to statistics released Wednesday.</p>

<p>Of the 82,056 California applicants to UC, 71.6% were offered freshman entrance to at least one of UC’s nine undergraduate campuses. That was down from 72.5% last year and 75.4% the year before, reflecting in part cutbacks in enrollment due to state budget reductions, the figures show.</p>

<p>Applicants to UCLA and UC Berkeley once again had the hardest time. **UCLA accepted only 21% of in-state applicants, compared to 21.4% last year, and UC Berkeley admitted 24.5%, down from 29.5% last year. **The next toughest were UC San Diego, 36.8%; UC Santa Barbara, 41.7%; UC Davis, 44.5%; UC Irvine 45.4%; UC Santa Cruz, 64.9%; UC Riverside, 77.4%; and UC Merced, 78%.</p>

<p>The report said that 10,712 applicants were offered a spot on at least one of the seven waiting lists, which are being used extensively by the university for the first time this year. (UCLA and UC Merced did not use them.) Those students, some of whom were accepted at other UCs, have until Thursday to say whether they want to remain on those lists and final decisions about their possible admission are expected next month.</p>

<p>Many students said they would have preferred an outright acceptance or rejection rather than be in limbo. And given that the odds of being offered enrollment from those lists are expected to be small, those students are being encouraged to send enrollment deposits to the UC campuses or other schools that have accepted them.

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<p>Are those figures correct? Berkeley didn’t have a 29.5% admit rate last year…</p>

<p>On a completely different note, they mentioned UCLA in this week’s episode of Glee. When the guy said he got a scholarship to a university, I thought he was going to say something like Harvard or Princeton (which would be kind of unrealistic) but then he said UCLA… (But then again, if he meant the UCLA School of Theater, Film, and Television it would be really prestigious.)</p>

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<p>The 29.5 admit rate for Berkeley they are talking about above is only the “in-state” admit rate, not the overall admit rate which includes out of state and international.</p>

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<p>Cal has had a higher admit rate for a while if you are accounting spring admissions.</p>

<p>Also, you have factor in that many right-wingers and right-leaning moderates have a false notion that LA is significantly less liberal than Berkeley (it is less liberal, but I doubt it is by much), and thus these conservatives apply to UCLA only, thus UCLA has a bigger stack of applications and thus must reject a lot more simply due to the differences in the numbers of applicants</p>

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:isthatso: But if you account for the surrounding area, Berkeley is far more liberal than LA. I hear the city of Berkeley is insanely liberal, even more so than the university itself. The entire Bay Area is really, really liberal… possibly the most liberal region in the United States. Los Angeles is far closer to the center, especially with the Catholic Hispanics. (They could be liberal but are also very conservative on some issues. Some people expect the second that Hispanics become a majority in the United States and anti-immigration becomes a non-issue they will completely swap over to the Republican Party.)</p>

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<p>Big cities tend to be liberal, LA is a huge a city, second biggest in the nation. The urban core of Los Angeles county is definitely left of center, the outer layers of the county become more centrist and then more right-wing the closer one gets closer to the other surrounding counties. But the core of LA is liberal. CA-30, which UCLA is contained in is a D+18 ranking, which is very liberal (not as liberal as Berkeley, but nonetheless very liberal)</p>

<p>It would be long time before Hispanics could even dream of being the majority group. The only thing close is that can be foreseen is non-Hispanic whites becoming a plurality instead of a majority, and that probably would not happen until about 2050, if I recall correctly.</p>

<p>And an FYI, the actual most liberal regions are NYC and DC, they have higher Cook PVIs than any California district.</p>

<p>Also CA-33, the second most liberal district in the state (tied with CA-08, Pelosi’s district) is right next to UCLA’s (CA-30). CA-35 and CA-31 California’s fourth and fifth most liberal districts are also neighboring districts. CA-37 is California’s sixth most liberal district, and that is also near UCLA.</p>

<p>CA-6 is California’s seventh most liberal district, this one is in Marin (Bay Area)
CA-12 and CA-28 are tied for eighth most liberal district (one is in the Bay Area, one is neighboring UCLA)
CA-13 and CA-34 are tied for 10th most liberal district (once again, one is in the Bay Area, one is neighboring UCLA)</p>

<p>So out of California’s 11 most liberal districts, SIX are in near UCLA, so yes UCLA does too count as a liberal hotbed.</p>

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<p>Berkeley splits out their Fall admits as a separate, lower statistic. </p>

<p>[04.07.2009</a> - Almost 13,000 high school students offered admission to UC Berkeley](<a href=“http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2009/04/07_admissions.shtml]04.07.2009”>04.07.2009 - Almost 13,000 high school students offered admission to UC Berkeley)</p>

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<p>@anon5524485 If you use your kind of logic, you can also say that all the extreme liberals don’t apply to UCLA because it is less liberal than Berkeley and etc. You’re making it seem as if what makes the stack “bigger” is merely conservatives. There are a variety of reasons why UCLA had 55,397 applicants and Berkeley had 48,461 applicants – it’s not just because of your theory that only ultra conservatives apply to UCLA and shun Berkeley. o<em>O’’’ Whatever BS you’re going on and on about liberal-ness and etcetera should just stop. Your logic is really faulty and o</em>O’’’</p>

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<p>I never said it is merely the conservatives, but they are definitely a factor in the pile.</p>

<p>Extreme liberals make up a lot smaller percent of the country, so they are a much smaller factor. The country is generally split up ~40% conservative, ~40% moderate, ~20% liberal, for every far left liberal, there are two far right conservatives. <a href=“Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological Group”>http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/conservatives-maintain-edge-top-ideological-group.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Also, as I just demonstrated, the concept that UCLA is significantly less liberal is not accurate.</p>

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And I never denied this. I only made the statement that UCLA is closer to moderate than Berkeley. We are in a blue state after all.</p>

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Rankings are a very vague measure of political affiliation. Let’s just compare the number of their congressional districts directly.</p>

<p>Berkeley, 9th District: D +37
Westwood, LA, 30th District: D +18</p>

<p>Berkeley is in the most liberal district in all of California! Not only that, it has twice the lead over LA in Democrats. In UCLA’s district, a conservative will be outnumbered ~7-3. In Berkeley, this number is ~9-1. You’d be quite the minority as a Republican in Berkeley but at least you have a sizable minority over here in LA.</p>

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<p>Look at the regions right next to UCLA though. The second you leave CA-30, they are all almost as liberal as CA-9 and are more liberal than most of the Bay Area. The design of CA-09 is also significantly different from that of CA-30. CA-30 is a segment of the LA. CA-09 is a much different kind of district, which holds all of Oakland.</p>

<p>I was never trying to say UCLA is as liberal as Cal, but it is still very liberal. In either case, Republicans are an extreme minority in either place, and UCLA is still very liberal. The point of my posts is to make it clear that the concept that UCLA is less liberal is pointless, because it is still dark blue. Neither place is good for a conservative/Republican who doesn’t want to be in a tiny minority.</p>

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<p>quote from anon5524485:</p>

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<p>Really, is that so? Now I used to think that UCLA got more applications because it was a great school in a great area, but your idea about right-wingers makes a lot of sense!</p>

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<p>I never said it was the only factor that effects the difference, but it is a factor nonetheless.</p>

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<p>@LH </p>

<p>"Extreme liberals make up a lot smaller percent of the country, so they are a much smaller factor. The country is generally split up ~40% conservative, ~40% moderate, ~20% liberal, for every far left liberal, there are two far right conservatives. <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/co...cal-group.aspx"&gt;http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/co...cal-group.aspx&lt;/a&gt;"&lt;/p&gt;

<p>You should realize that your numbers are not placed in the right context. These numbers are supposed to represent the US as a whole. This includes those economic conservatives who could be around ages 45-60 or whatever and are sitting on their big stack of bank they made and are probably not looking to apply for university because they already have their degree. I don’t know what kind of world you live in, but a lot of people our age are quite liberal (see link below).
[The</a> Democrats Are Doomed, or How A ‘Big Tent’ Can Be Too Big OkTrends](<a href=“http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/2010/03/30/the-democrats-are-doomed-or-how-a-big-tent-can-be-too-big/]The”>http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/2010/03/30/the-democrats-are-doomed-or-how-a-big-tent-can-be-too-big/)</p>

<p>I’d think that the HS students that apply to the UC system are more liberal than conservative. The CA public school system implemented (including higher education universities) tend towards liberal ideals. Because a lot of students that apply to the UC system come from these environments (and their HS teachers do assert an amount of influence on them), it is very likely that students are more liberal than conservative.</p>