<p>I just got accepted to both with no scholarships. Which one should i choose? This is one of the toughest decisions I've ever had to make. Both have its perks:</p>
<p>LA: great location, rep, cheaper
SC: CONNECTIONS! great rankings for its undergrad business school, easier to find job after graduation.</p>
<p>Can someone shed some light on my dillemma? :/</p>
<p>lol if you can spend the money go to usc. connections are important in business.</p>
<p>I have the same dilemma, too. Plus, I'm OOS, so it's not as if UCLA costs drastically cheaper for me. But I have to say that I am actually leaning towards USC, at this point, because Marshall is a fantastic undergrad business school.</p>
<p>If it's costing you twice as much to go to USC, then go to UCLA. You can still make great connections here, and there are recruiting events for internships/jobs regularly. The money you save could probably put you through MBA school anyway lol.</p>
<p>If the cost is the same, I'd go to Marshall. It has a phenomenal undergrad program (but again, I definitely wouldn't pay twice as much for it); UCLA still has a slightly better rep as a university, so obviously a degree in biz-econ will still look really really good.</p>
<p>Congrats on getting into both :)</p>
<p>^vc08's logic is sound. and im here to comment on the recruiting events and the bizecon major.</p>
<p>1) not sure if you are familiar with accounting/financial consulting firms. but every year, all of the BIG FOUR CPA firms (deloitte, PWC, forgot the other two) come to UCLA to actively RECRUIT TWICE (once in the fall, once in the spring). UCLA is one of the TWO most actively recruited schools on the west coast (along with Utah). one of the main reasons is that an accounting minor or a bizecon major from UCLA is pretty prestigious, and of course, competitive.</p>
<p>2) as i said above. bizecon is VERY competitive. a lot of my friends came in to be bizecons but by their second year, they all dropped down to international or worse, reg. econ. here are a few reasons why:</p>
<p>1) the 3.3 primary score, personally i dont know how the hell they calculate that...supposed to be equivalent to a 3.5 major gpa...thats like half As and half Bs. </p>
<p>2) every course with a minimum of "B", sounds easy but when you have econ 11 and econ 101 with mcdevitt, you literally get on your knees and thank god and scream "I BELIEVE" when you get higher than a B-</p>
<p>3) one repeat is allowed and you can only repeat it once...this is not the difficult part i guess</p>
<p>4) the management component of bizecon. mgmt 1a with gardner is manageable. but 1b with ravetch...how should i say it...impossible? if you end up choosing to go here, at orientation you will probably have the honor of meeting the infamous man himself. cuz 2 years ago he spoke at orientation. you can do litt for 1a, but then you would still have to go through ravetch. litt just makes you LESS prepared for the ravetch onslaught. </p>
<p>5) the difficulty of the courses themselves...at number 2 i merely mentioned the difficulty of the professor, but the material itself is really not a piece of cake either. but i guess thats the same if you go to SC. </p>
<p>for MBA i would def. pick UCLA's Anderson School over USC's Marshall. But if you get Haas or better, Wharton, or Sloan to choose from, then obviously go there. thats my 2 bit. any questions feel free to post. not guaranteed to answer. really not readily available like vc08.</p>
<p><em>pad on the shoulder for the subtle hateful remark about vc08</em></p>
<p>old grudges never die, my friend</p>
<p>oh and correction on the "most recruited school on the west coast" i meant "the most recruited school west of the MISSISSIPPI RIVER. and that's coming from the PROFESSORS, not me.</p>
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<p>Umm....okay...? As if your cyberspace jealousy or whatever your issue is actually matters to me...?</p>
<p>Also, I'm not your friend, as I've never met you. Usually, that's the first step to becoming someone's friend.</p>
<p>And I'm not sure what your grudge is. But if you're getting your undies in a bunch over CC, then obviously you're the one spending too much time on here.</p>
<p>That's my 2 bits.</p>
<p>^obviously you do not get the point. "my friend" is a general remark, lets just say its an euphemism for "<strong><em>ing *</em></strong>** who got no life"</p>
<p>dude listen to yourself...cyberspace jealousy? first of all, i dont think that exists. secondly, why the HELL would i be jealous of someone i dont even fricking know? </p>
<p>third and finally, im not the one replying to EVERY single post. and i mean EVERY single post. </p>
<p>case closed.</p>
<p>Really? You can't get anything below a B- in any of the pre-reqs? I've never seen that or heard of it before.</p>
<p>thanks!!! :)</p>
<p>for hater of haters, i was just wondering...since im admitted as PRE biz econ status, it says I have to keep an overall gpa for 3.0 and a 2.0 in the preparation classes for that major right? Im not too sure about the details but that's what i saw on the la website. It just seems really difficult to maintain that level of gpa by what you just told me =/</p>
<p>How many bizzecon majors are there, usually? I just want to know what kind of competition im about to face =/</p>
<p>And also, is la good for connections?</p>
<p>thanks for taking your time to answer my questions :)</p>
<p>ONLY for bizecon. the requirement on paper is "c-" and a 3.5 for econ 11, 101, 102. but they wont accept you if you have a grade lower than a B</p>
<p>russgo,</p>
<p>1) is that wut they said. because that is SEVERELY misleading. i will link you to the UCLA Dept. of Economics Website for Bizecon and you can see the REAL requirements yourself:</p>
<p>UCLA</a> Department of Economics</p>
<p>To get into the major (since you are Pre-major right now) and to stay in the major have very different requirements</p>
<p>2) almost everyone who came to UCLA majoring in Econ were bizecons, and most of them get cut. there are also the few people who came as other majors, like me, i came in as Pre-international econ. </p>
<p>3) UCLA has a pretty big alum network. its endorsement is like the third in public schools (exceeded by UVA and Cal). there are also other opportunities where you can participate in events that are set up for current students to meet alums such as:</p>
<p>Interview a Bruin Day
Dinner for 12 Strangers</p>
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1) not sure if you are familiar with accounting/financial consulting firms. but every year, all of the BIG FOUR CPA firms (deloitte, PWC, forgot the other two) come to UCLA to actively RECRUIT TWICE (once in the fall, once in the spring). UCLA is one of the TWO most actively recruited schools on the west coast (along with Utah). one of the main reasons is that an accounting minor or a bizecon major from UCLA is pretty prestigious, and of course, competitive.
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<p>This is incorrect in many ways.</p>
<p>First of all, the firms do not recruit twice a year. They basically recruit three times a year. If you absolutely HAVE to say that they recruit twice a year, you would say Fall and Winter since that's when they hand out offers. But they recruit in the fall for Seniors who are looking for full time jobs, in the winter they recruit juniors who are looking for summer internships, and they recruit in the spring looking for sophomores for their summer leadership programs. </p>
<p>UCLA is highly recruited, but its among the two most actively recruited along with Utah? What about USC? I don't really doubt that Utah is heavily recruited since I met a lot of them while interviewing, but the two most heavily recruited, at least from my experiences, were USC and UCLA. </p>
<p>I would say our accounting program is good, but USC is better. USC students are heavily recruited and probably outnumber UCLA students, especially in various service lines. Not only that, but their accounting isn't just strict accounting. They have accounting/is degrees so they look a lot more technical than UCLA students, which helps with tech related service lines in the big4.</p>
<p>hater<em>of</em>haters, how do you know that? I've looked around the econ site and played around with the Primary Score calculator and saw nothing where it says that you won't be accepted if you have a B-.</p>
<p>If you're looking a job in consulting, prospects are a bit slimmer. BCG does some recruiting, but barely any, although we have a strong presence of Bain, Deloitte, Mercer, Hitachi Consulting, Cap Gemini, BearingPoint (now sold its public services unit to Deloitte) and some various smaller organizations such as ZS Associates. The knock on the program from within and from outside, is how theoretical it is and the lack of practical application, more tailored toward upper level degrees etc. We still manage to get people internships at Goldman Sachs, Merill, among other i-banking firms so it's not so bad.</p>
<p>You really should test that idea that a USC degree gives you great connections while a UCLA degree doesn't.</p>
<p>Have a look at USC's Marshall graduate placement rate. I recall a post around last May saying more than half the graduating seniors at Marshall did not have any offer of employment. The class is HUGE, and UCLA's graduating BizEcon group is much smaller. Somebody please correct me if this is a gross exageration... I'm simply saying you need to really check into this idea that USC = pipeline to a nice job. It might have been 25 years ago, but I know several Marshall grads, undergrad and MBA, who say it hardly does anything these days.</p>
<p>Do you want to get lost in the hundreds of undergrad Marshall seniors looking for a job in four years? I know one who worked in a hedge fund in LA two summers ago, and then overseas last summer, and doesn't have any options yet.</p>
<p>russogo,</p>
<p>a lot of the stuff happens under the table. as i was saying, one PAPER meaning in public, it says that. but because everyone gets such high grades...they have to set higher standards that are not necessarily on paper</p>
<p>altema, </p>
<p>i was merely conveying what gardner told us. maybe she is wrong. but considering she is a certified CPA and is, in all honesty, pretty damn successful, i really would take her words over yours. </p>
<p>prolly last post for a while peeps. got my fourth fight tomorrow. resting up. and the reason im on CC in the first place is prolly cuz i cant go anywhere other than training.</p>
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<p>Basically, the primary score is based on two classes. 11 and 101. They count 3X as much as the other classes or something, so if you get less than a B+, on one of them , you better do very well on your other pre-reqs. Also be prepared to get screwed over in 1B with Ravetch. There is a way out, however. You can take 1B in the summer with Gardner.</p>
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<p>lol...</p>
<p>hate, </p>
<p>that's fine. I don't care if you believe gardner or me. gardner went through recruiting how long ago? in any case I went through the recruiting process so I know what I am talking about. you being misinformed only hurts you and I'd rather not have others suffer as a result of your information.</p>
<p>i may be completely wrong, but i don't see how marshall can provide even half their grads with "connections." Unless simply having a degree from USC means a "connection" (which I highly doubt), basing your decision on how well connected you will be is quite meaningless.</p>
<p>also keep in mind that getting a CPA is not really dependent on where you do your undergrad (people from much less prestigious universities (i.e. calstates) can get their CPA)</p>
<p>also keep in mind that if you want to be a banker or a consultant, you don't even need a business-related major. They interview AND give offers to people from ANY major.</p>
<p>also keep in mind that if you want to pursue a MBA right out of ugrad, you won't get bonus points during the app process for coming from USC or for coming from UCLA.</p>
<p>bottom line, the only advantage USC confers is that they actually have a ugrad business school. This means nothing, since bizecon at ucla is probably on par academically.</p>
<p>Again, I don't know anything about USC specifically, but a lot of the "connections" hype seems to be exaggerated.</p>