<p>I would say something about the idiots at UCB and UCLA, but it would be very controversial... :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Pshh. UCLA and Johns Hopkins equally selective yet Berkeley higher? I got into UCLA and Berkeley but didn't get into Johns Hopkinds EARLY DECISION! :P</p>
<p>say it flospy! ucla forum=controversy anyways... you could start a heated debate :D</p>
<p>Every university admits idiots. Even Stanford does...</p>
<p>The selectivity ranking is obviously flawed. Wash U harder to get into than Stanford? U Michigan harder than UCLA? Emory harder than JHU and U Chicago? Caltech the hardest?</p>
<p>But some schools admit larger quantities of idiots than others :P</p>
<p>25th again... at least we beat michigan this time...</p>
<p>they should base some of the rank on location, then we would be a lot closer to the top, while UCB and USC would drop a lot</p>
<p>cause who wants to go to a college in the ghetto? :P</p>
<p>UC berkeley is definitely not in the ghetto. its a great city with personality and a lot to offer. USC on the other hand is straight up ghetto</p>
<p>^have u been to berk? its undeniably g-hetto.</p>
<p>haha Cal was my dream school until I found out that it is located in a ghetto and that UCLA can offer everything Cal can and more. Btw did anyone hear about the string of murders that took place near Cal around late spring? That **** was grizzly.</p>
<p>Haha... Berkeley is not in a ghetto. If some of you consider that a ghetto, you need to get out and see more.</p>
<p>warrior is right. if you think berkeley is a ghetto, then you obviously havent seen much. and yes, i've seen berkeley, i'm there every week which might be more than you have seen of berkeley dontcha</p>
<p>now go check out U$c now thats ghetto...</p>
<p>Maybe to people used to white picket fences and a pristine neighborhood would consider CAL a ghetto. :-p</p>
<p>You want to see Ghetto, come to Watts. Haha.</p>
<p>and I think we get pretty high selectivity rank because we receive the most application in the country and have to reject a lot of them, which makes us "selective" if like 100k students apply to cal state LA and they only accept like 5% of those students it'll make them selective as well... but is CSULA better than UCLA? I hope not...</p>
<p>^ selectivity is only a fraction of what they consider, so it does make a difference and it does boost UCLA's ranking, but that doesn't mean that if CSULA has a high selectivity rate their ranking will soar</p>
<p>"hurrah no change. a lot of the rankings are based on alumni giving, peer review and retention rate, all things that are up to the students"</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure peer review is surveyed from peers as in peer Universities (admins) not peers as in students.</p>
<p>Retention rate is up to the students directly, but it is indirectly facilitated by the school itself. If you say that it is the students fault for dropping out, wouldn't the blame also be placed on the school for creating an environment such that students have a hard time--or the school's fault for admitting a student who cannot handle the curriculum? Therein lies one of the faults of a school that must cater to the public. And from my sister's experience and mine, there are a lot of students that get in who aren't the sharpest tool in the box.</p>
<p>The rankings are flawed and they do have an inherent bias toward Privates. But it is afterall trying to gauge the overall undergraduate experience. And many would be hard-pressed to argue that a big, public university offers a better educational opportunity than a small, LAC-esque private.</p>
<p>UC berk is a nice campus, but the area around it? ...one of the reasons i didnt go</p>
<p>My son went to UCLA because he liked the area better than Cal even though he got into both. UCs are public universities so they probably offer admission to many students that otherwise get rejected by the privates (especially top privates.) I'm not saying top students don't go to the UCs, I'm referring to the smaller majority that probably shouldn't be there and will have difficulty. The UCs offer many resources to try and get those students to succeed. You definitely get your money's worth going to UCLA, Berkeley, etc. Paying more doesn't always mean you get the best.</p>