<p>unlike megastud, i am saying USC is better than ucla. in a lot of ways. oh ok, you might have us on location. but i grew sick of ritzy socal suburbia (im from the OC). i actually like my urban blight, im keepin it real yo. its funny, my cousin, use to live in wetwood but now prefers downtown, just 2 mins north of SC.</p>
<p>and im actually very interested in what you ucla students think about what i just posted.</p>
<p>oh wow, heres another one you guys are going to love. my current gf is going to law school next yr. she scored a 173 on lsats and has a 3.8 gpa. she was accepted to every top twenty school excluding stnaford. she has narrowed her choice donw to 2 schools: USC (with full tuition) and harvard. her dad was an SC alum. shes smart, she factors in things liek location, cost, convenience into her decision. not just prestige (like when mots of you picked ucla over USC). oh and theres more. most of the profs at USC law are harvard grads. all except 2 (including the dean) encouraged her to choose SC. the irony, im loving it. she has yet to decide.</p>
<p>im in the libaray right now, and i just got word that one of our bros who is graduating this yr got an offer from delloitte conslulting. 50k, pre bonus. there's another connect to exploit right there.</p>
<p>im loving this discussion. i just got word another bro got an offer for audit at ernst young.</p>
<p>oh and just for fun: when i applied to transfer i turned fown econ at uchicago, and econ at nyu to go to USC.</p>
<p>before i bounce, i would like to add just one more thing. a big argument of ucla students is academics. really, nobody in the 'real world' could care less. are you going to remebr all the bs you learned in econ 101 when you manage a team? no youre not, my misinformed friend. what you are going to remebr is the experience. USC gives its students that experience. thats why our alums keep givin back. thats why there are more SC alums in greater socal than all of uc alums combined. thats why im bothering to waste my time writing this. and thats why ill be your boss come spring 07.</p>
<p>The "money argument" is not moot, because for most people, UCLA is cheaper. Sure, some cases are different, but the major is important. </p>
<p>Living alumni is important, but alumni connection to each other is of more importance, as long as they are in enough places and high enough.</p>
<p>Recruiter scores relating to business shcools should not be confused for the entire school- while Marshall may be in the top 10 for some, that doesn't necessarily make it so for USC. Also, one must ask how many of those recuiters there are in the survey, and of what prominence they are, as well as what industries are being covered, and keep in mind this is just the private sector, and there are other areas to keep in mind (professional schools, gradute schools, ect).</p>
<p>Westwood is not ritzy suburbia, really. It's not a suburb, it's part of the spread out city of LA. It's fairly ritzy, sure.</p>
<p>USC law isn't even the top echeloned of law schools, the top 3/10/14. It is right below 14 or so, though, but considered more regional than national.</p>
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<p>You base this on what, again? Oh, your claim is unfounded.</p>
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<p>So being Harvard grads makes them good, impressive people? I'd take the top five students at the top ten schools over middle of the line Harvard grads. Basically, just because they went to HLS doesn't make them good teachers, or good people. </p>
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<p>Wait, so any program in USC that is better than UCLA for academic reasons is moot, too? And what if you actually want to go to graduate school in a field? Then is it useless, too?</p>
<p>The living alumni argument is relevant because the Trojan family will get you jobs, sure. But lets face it, more often than not your boss in the future will not be a Trojan. What happens when he isn't? What happens when your boss is a graduate of Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, UCI, or Cal State LA? The entry level job pays little compared to the middle management jobs. All the big money comes from performance, experience and promotions.</p>
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<p>So you're telling me companies don't care about how smart you are? Companies don't want more innovative, creative and intelligent people on their workforce? </p>
<p>The companies and opportunites you list are nothing special. UCLA grades get those opportunities as well. Yes Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs recruit at the UCLA career fairs. Actually, UCLA alums who work at Goldman Sachs often give presentations at undergraduate student clubs at UCLA.</p>
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<p>Wall Street Journal is a joke. Harvard and Stanford ranked 14th and 15th while Carnegie Mellon ranked 3rd? Not to mention, UCLA is higher than USC in all the other rankings (Business Week, US News, Forbes, Financial Times).</p>
<p>I smell smoke....because someone just got burned. Go back to your USC forum, MrTrojanMan.</p>
<p>alright, i want you guys to read this real carefully and maybe you will figure it out. i want you to think long and hard about how many internship offers (if any) YOU recieved (not your firends or what you heard). now i want you to think if ucla really helped you out in the 'real world'. because i can ramble on about rankings (the only 2 real 'anomolies' in wall street journal are stanford and harvard, while the rest are pretty consistent in the 'real world'. usnews ranks USC's undergrad program at 9 while our mba program is 29, thats real consistent. biz week ranked our mba 17 and ucla 16 in 2002, but decreased USC to 27 in 2004, all at the same time USC overall jumped to being 30 in the nation according to usnews. how about usnews engineering rankings where both USC and georgia tech are ranked ahead of caltech. so, according to your bible, geargia tech is better for engineering than cal tech) just ignore the rankings for a second, i know its hard, and usnews is not going to help you get a job. what really matters is when you and i are both interviewing for whatever position at whatever firm, it comes down to who gets the offer. i got plenty, how about you?</p>
<p>I got one great internship as an undergrad, fantastic research opportunities, and two great job offers right out of school.</p>
<p>I have a friend with his master's from USC who's working a dead-end job and making what I'm making with a BA.</p>
<p>It comes down largely to YOU and how YOU take advantage of resources.</p>
<p>"The "money argument" is not moot, because for most people, UCLA is cheaper. Sure, some cases are different, but the major is important.</p>
<p>Living alumni is important, but alumni connection to each other is of more importance, as long as they are in enough places and high enough.</p>
<p>Recruiter scores relating to business shcools should not be confused for the entire school- while Marshall may be in the top 10 for some, that doesn't necessarily make it so for USC. Also, one must ask how many of those recuiters there are in the survey, and of what prominence they are, as well as what industries are being covered, and keep in mind this is just the private sector, and there are other areas to keep in mind (professional schools, gradute schools, ect).</p>
<p>Westwood is not ritzy suburbia, really. It's not a suburb, it's part of the spread out city of LA. It's fairly ritzy, sure.</p>
<p>USC law isn't even the top echeloned of law schools, the top 3/10/14. It is right below 14 or so, though, but considered more regional than national."</p>
<p>i really dont understand some of what you just wrote here. so im not even going to try to respond. and westwood is a suburb. are you really going to try and tell me its urban? rural? metropolis? please stop responding to what i have to say, its realy annoying actually when i spend time to try and figure what you are writing. i suggest you just ignore me.</p>
<p>Instead of having us ignore you and put up with your poor grammar/spelling mistakes, why don't you just stop posting in this forum and go ramble in USC's.</p>
<p>uclaari, USC has more resources than ucla. and i have done a pretty good job of taking advantage of them. and with minimal effort. while you had one great internship, i have a choice of multiple great ones.</p>
<p>"The living alumni argument is relevant because the Trojan family will get you jobs, sure. But lets face it, more often than not your boss in the future will not be a Trojan. What happens when he isn't?"</p>
<p>the living alumni argument is irrelevant, because it makes absolutely no difference if you have tons of alums everywhere when your alumni dont help you get a job. ours do. while my future boss might not be a Trojan, the interviewer or the guy who got me the job probably will be. ever heard of the "bruin family"? "bear family"? "cardinal/tree family"? no of course not. how about "Trojan Family"? that should be lucid enough for you.</p>
<p>Apparently there are two things that they don't teach at USC: brevity and clarity.</p>
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<p>What's your point? Who said that I even tried for another one? I was doing research most of my time, so I didn't really need to be doing internships.</p>
<p>UCLA offers similar opportunities to USC. The difference, I believe, is that fewer UCLA students (probably because of UCLA's graduate focus) are prone to take advantage of them. Name something that USC has that UCLA doesn't. </p>
<p>This is not me attacking USC. I think it's a fine institution. But I don't think that one's options are necessarily limited out of UCLA by any means.</p>
<p>i like you, uclari. you make sense and seem like cool guy. thast not soemthing i can say about your overrated peers. i dont want to get into an argument with you, b/c you already ffigured it out. </p>
<p>"But I don't think that one's options are necessarily limited out of UCLA by any means."</p>
<p>there's a flip-side to that coin. im saying USC has more options, not that ucla is limited. im sure ucla has plenty options.</p>
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<p>And here I still think you're only ever-so-slightly wrong. Look at the numbers of USC grads at Harvard Law, then look at the UCLA grads.</p>
<p>Look at top PhD programs.</p>
<p>In Los Angeles, USC is an absolutely WONDERFUL networking tool. But once you leave LA, I honestly believe that UCLA carries better. This is based on my experience both on the East Coast and in Japan. </p>
<p>Once again, this doesn't mean that USC is bad. It's fantastic.</p>
<p>But you know who beats both of us? </p>
<p>Those little Claremont schools.</p>