UCLA vs. USC

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Indeed UCLA is not an ivy league school, and unfortunately, it is not very high in the USNEWS rankings either (in relation to some schools that i do not think should be above ucla).

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<p>Are you insane or what? 25th out of hundreds of schools isn't high on USNews rankings?</p>

<p>What do you people huff in high school these days? [url=<a href="http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Kitten_huffing%5DKittens?%5B/url"&gt;http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Kitten_huffing]Kittens?[/url&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p>

<p>Actually, the United States has thousands of universities so 25th looks even better. ;)</p>

<p>Yes well... remember that on CC.com, only USNews ranked schools even exist.</p>

<p>Whoever started this post originally was obviously too lazy to do a search....this topic has been covered numerous times on here.</p>

<p>Let me all tell you some stories about USC.</p>

<p>I, in the past few months, have been deciding between three schools: Northwestern, USC, and Cal Berkeley. I ultimately chose USC for a number of reasons.</p>

<p>First of all, the TROJAN FAMILY. For those of you who think it's a bunch of ****, you're wrong. My doctor, dentist and orthodontist are ALL alumni of USC and I didn't even know this until a few weeks ago. I live in Norcal btw, silicon valley. When they found out I was applying, they offered to write personal recommendations to their alumni society's for me so that I could get scholarships.... that should already tell you something right there. When we say "trojan family" we mean trojan family.</p>

<p>You probably all think I'm crazy for turning down two fantastic schools for USC, the fact is, I'm not. NU offered me a large scholarship, and a five year double-major degree program. The thing is, NU was boring! There was no community, no life there... Sure, it's one of the top schools in the nation, but it lacked something USC had... USC has a vibrant, rich, campus life, and all of the professors are there to help you. WHen I applied, I received dozens of e-mails from the proffesors at USC... it was a fantatsic feeling.</p>

<p>I have never heard one BAD word from an alumni at USC. They all love it. My neighbor, in fact, is an alumni of USC, and she was psyched when I told her I was going to SC. In fact, she had me over for lunch and showed me her college pictures. She went so far as to have a "Trojan Wedding!"</p>

<p>Whether you like it or not, the fact is that USC is moving up in the rankings... People are beginning to realize that it's a great school, and respect it. When I tell people I'm going to SC, they all say "wow... It's gotten tough to get in there."</p>

<p>Our average stats for income students this year were:</p>

<p>4.0 GPA and 2100-2200 on the SAT's.</p>

<p>The thing is, I don't think rankings matter. It's all about what the school is like. USc is awesome, why don't you go and check it out yourself?</p>

<p>You may think you're better, but just wait a few years UCLA... You better be respecting me now, because I'm the one who will be firing your ass in the future.</p>

<p>I agree with you about the Trojan family. I never badmouthed your alumni network. I have been deemphasizing its importance to future promotions in the business world.</p>

<p>I never said USC is a crappy school. It is a good school.</p>

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You better be respecting me now, because I'm the one who will be firing your ass in the future.

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Is that what the world has come to? UCLA bosses fire USC grads, USC bosses fire UCLA grads? Berkeley bosses fire Stanford grads and Stanford grads fire Berkeley grads? I sure hope not.</p>

<p>lol. That would be funny</p>

<p>LOLOLOLOLZ!!!!</p>

<p>:rolleyes:</p>

<p>Do the flopsy...</p>

<p>:rolleyes:</p>

<p>well sorry for saying that 25 is low, but i assumed most ppl on cc look at it that way.</p>

<p>That kitten huffing site is freakin hillarious......</p>

<p>myk7000,</p>

<p>Most people on CC are absurdly out-of-touch with reality, too. Don't subscribe to their view of what "top school" means. </p>

<p>:p</p>

<p>They do. It's sad. <em>shrug</em></p>

<p>"What does USC have? Business....Film.....Football? Also, undergraduates can open themselves to so many choies and opportunities, something lacking in USC."</p>

<p>I take that you really don't know USC. USC's only weakness is Letter & Science "compared to UCLA". IMO they are good enough. Besides that, Business, Engineering, Communication & Journalism, Public Administration, Architecture, Film, Music, etc, you name it, all excellent.</p>

<p>dyip: </p>

<p>I didn't actually use "alumni connection" once in my post. I don't think it the most important factor in your career. It is good at leading you to the right door. It is you that knock the door and get into it. In this sense, I think USC people's success should deserve more respect. </p>

<p>I just hope you guys don't have the kind of false sense of academic superiority of yourselves, and false sense of inferiority of others. Listening to you guys berating USC, people would think you are the best bunch this country can have, which is completely untrue. In the real world, USC and UCLA people usually respect each other. For example, USC's chairman of board of trustees is a UCLA grad. One of the largest donation to USC is from a Bruin, Alfred Mann. USC's accounting school is named after a Bruin. The commencement speaker this year is a UCLA grad. A lot of USC's management and faculty member are UCLA grads. There is the kind of real world out there, not exactly like the little one you find on this board.</p>

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<p>Not if I fire you first! Mwahahaha!</p>

<p>;)</p>

<p>Hey QW553 I don't hate Trojans, and I know you didn't mention "alumni connections." Before you, MrTrojanMan was posting. My response was to his argument about the alumni connections. No I do not think we are "academically superior" and I do not bash Trojans in my free time. Again, MrTrojanMan was arguing against UCLA's "academic advantage." I was defending it.</p>

<p>I have never started a USC sucks thread. I go on the "USC should be top 20" threads and make my point. I think people know USC is better than it used to be, but Trojans don't need to post on different threads that they should be ranked higher than UCLA and Cal. (Not all Trojans believe this, probably most don't, I'm just speaking about them)</p>

<p>dyip, your so off topic its pathetic. </p>

<p>but ill entertain your stupidity.
ok first of all, im sure you prbably realize by now that the TRojan Family works. and that LA big biz is saturated by Trojans. now you say living alums are not important b/c my future boss will most likely not be Trojan, like this is somehow relevant. tell me genius, if USC consistently sends its recent alums to all over socal, dont you think these alums would eventually move up in an organization. therefore, making it more likely my future boss will be a Trojan? common sense? yet of course, whether or not my future boss will be an SC alum is completely irrelevant so lets just put that stupidity behind us.</p>

<p>"I am saying that your claim that the USC alumni will help you in the long run is bogus."</p>

<p>uhh the 'long run' was never really my point of argument. </p>

<p>"UCLA's living alumni is of little importance? Well if there are 3x more Bruins than Trojans, and (a generation ago) Bruins were better than Trojans, then isn't it more likely you will encounter a UCLA boss?"</p>

<p>ok, is the stat that there are 3x more bruins something you pulled from your arse or what. ucla has 40,000 students total. USC has 30,000. including undergrad and grad. cula has 25000 undergrad, while USC has 15,000. exactly how would ucla send 3x more poeple to the world if it oonly has 10,000 more students? </p>

<p>and another thing, if you cruise the streest of LA (even west LA) and OC, you will probably notice the alumni liscence plate ring on that porsche, bmw, or benz that cut your toyota off. at uci, i probably saw thre a week. dont get me strated on the USC alums that live on my sisters stereet in irvine. while thats something you could say im fabricating, thats ok. i can respect that i cant really prove something like that. just pay attention to those alumni liscence plate rings. especially pay attention to the car.</p>

<p>"For the Trojans out there, get over it. UCLA is ranked higher than USC. You are going to USC for two reasons.
1)The more common reason is that you could not get into a top 25 school so accept the fact that you're going to a nontop 25 school. USC is still a good school stop your whining.
2) The second reason is because you are going to USC for reasons that are not US News ranking. In that case, stop trying to argue that USC is a top 25 school if you never cared about rankings in the first place."</p>

<p>this was never a point of discussion, way to stay on topic. </p>

<p>"Hey, if a person decides not to go to UCLA to go to UCI because UCI offered more money does it make UCI a better school?"</p>

<p>your thoughts are all over the place in that post. no uci is not a better school if its cheaper. but dont you find it ineresting that its cheaper ofr some students to go to USC than a public. that just weakens the "money argument". i never stated that USC was better b/c its cheaper for me. </p>

<p>"on average, are smarter than USC graduates in the business world."</p>

<p>let me tell how absolutely inept it is to make an argument that ucla alums are more succesful than USC alums b/c of wharton school placement. listen, tere are rougly less than on quarter biz majors who are in biz grad school. you wanna know why its not more like 3/4s. b/c undergrad biz major already know that isc. finanice in undergrad is the same in grad. accounting in undergad is that same as grad. so is marketing, ob, so on and so forth. how do i know this? my cousin went ucla's anderson school, im well aware of their curriciclum. they even use some of the same boooks. my uncle went uchicago gsb, he concurs. a gradute biz program is a truncated undergrad biz program without the the GEs. tell me smart guy, why would i pay to go back to school to learn ish i already know when and paying through the nose for it when i could be in the field advancing my career and making more money. theres a reason why biz majors dont go back to school. and theres a reason why mba admissions are decreasing steadily. so its normal for a school like ucla with no biz program to send more non biz studenmts to b school. where as USC alreadfy has a biz major so most students. dont need to go back to school. that link with that list of upenn mba breakdown, only 5 schools on that list out of 20 have an undergad biz program. </p>

<p>"Before you tell me USC is very strong along the Pacific Rim for business, visit Hong Kong, Mainland China, Taiwan, and Japan. I think your trip will tell you otherwise."</p>

<p>you have no clue, so dont speak on this. yes, USC does have connections to the pacific rim.</p>

<p>"However, in my posts I intend to refute MrTrojanMan and his claims that USC is better in the business world."</p>

<p>keep up the good job.</p>

<p>"As a matter of fact, I'm planning on majoring in biz econ...UCLA graduates get jobs just as good if not better. "</p>

<p>so your not even majoring in biz econ right now. but youre already an expert of the biz world.</p>

<p>"Do you really think graduating from USC will land you a six figure salary right off the bat?"</p>

<p>that, again, was never a point of discussion.</p>

<p>MrTrojanMan,</p>

<p>My experience in Japan is that UCLA's name carries a bit further. USC, if it is known, is known for its great sports.</p>

<p>But not that I would know, y'know, living here and all.</p>

<p>ok you win</p>

<p>I did not make up those numbers, I pulled them from the UCLA and USC's alumni websites. The number is more like 2.5. Where I live, I see more nice cars with UCLA and Cal alumni plates than USC cars. So I'm not going to say which school has better cars. Yes USC is sending grads to different places, are you saying UCLA is not? You're arguing placement, I'm arguing that placement is not that big of a difference considering the prestige of UCLA compared to other schools in California (other UCs and Cal States). I am saying the Trojan network won't help you rise in a company any more than the UCLA's network will. The Trojans might give you a better starting job, that's all. No I'm not an expert of the business world, nor do I claim to be. But then again you haven't graduated either.</p>

<p>UCLAri,</p>

<p>Japanese doesn't care about American sports, so most likely they don't know USC for the sake of sports. UCLA is big in east asia, but partly due to non-academic reasons. DailyBruin ran a story years ago talking about people there confused between UCLA and CSULA;) They have a lot of UCLA shops though.</p>

<p>In China, there was a book named "Top 10 Colleges in America", and UCLA was in it:) I think it may be due to the asian affinity and a lot of asians got degrees from UCLA and spread the message over grapevine. I even suspected USC's bad rep in old days (even now) is partly due to you guys constantly berating USC for every chance you guys get:) Well, there were some truth to it in the old days though.</p>