UCLA vs Wesleyan

<p>I was recently accepted to both universities and am having a real tough time deciding which one to choose. I will most be likely double majoring, in math and neuroscience or math and physics. I have heard that Wesleyan has a superb science and math program, and have also heard some good things about UCLA's math(but not much about physics and neuro).
So, where are the academics better? Which has a better reputation for grad schools?</p>

<p>UCLA is superior to Wesleyan in terms of location and weather. However, it seems to be too large. UCLA also seems to be very engrossed in its sports culture. While Wesleyan's student body seems to be more unique, I have heard that it is a bit weird and not for everyone. Wesleyan's average SAT scores are much higher than UCLA's, so I guess smarter people go to Wesleyan. UCLA is a public school and accepts many dumb californian residents so it is really large,so I think Wesleyan's atmosphere would be more intellectual. But I have also heard that Wesleyan students are not as competitive as those at UCLA. But since UCLA is much larger, it has better campus facilities. Unfortunately,since I am an international student I will not be able to visit.
So where is environment better? Which university is more intellectual? What are the unique things about campus life at UCLA or Wesleyan?</p>

<p>I am currently leaning towards Wesleyan, but may end up choosing UCLA . Help please!!!</p>

<p>I bet you rejected from all the top20 university. Due to the budget cut, the acceptance rate for international student rise from 17% 3 years ago to 41% a year ago. You can easily get these information from UCLA web site.I think more than 80% Cali students admitted in UCLA or UCB have better “score” than you. If you called them “bumb”, where else is the position for you. I even can guess you are legacy ( this is why you admitted by Wesleyan ).
So it end up that you prob. will have low GPA no matter which school you attend.</p>

<p>You already sound like you’re going to Wesleyan, from all your smack-talking (You’re not going to make many friends with that attitude).</p>

<p>UCLA does have a large student body. There is competition. Some facilities are better than others. The environment and culture is what you make of it. You’ll find all types of people at UCLA, even if you already hold some kind of predisposition.</p>

<p>if you decide to go to UCLA look me up and we can have a talk about all the dumb Californians. Good Luck!</p>

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This is literally the most incoherent post I’ve seen on any website this year. Well done.</p>

<p>OP: I’m going to ignore the obvious mischaracterizations in your post. If you don’t want to navigate your way through a large school, don’t come here.</p>

<p>Go to Wesleyan. No one at UCLA wants you there anyway with your kind of attitude.</p>

<p>“UCLA is a public school and accepts many dumb California residents.”</p>

<p>NO.</p>

<p>I’m going to apologize to blueman1. You caught me on a rampage, and I’m sorry if I’ve made you feel bad. I’m just going to suggest choosing words more carefully next time if you want to avoid being flamed. I would also like to apologize for other CC members (if I’m allowed to) for starting this flame war. Both sides have been ignorant. UCLA and Wesleyan are both great institutions, and only research and visiting in person can tell you where to go, not an Internet forum.</p>

<p>I apologize for my disrespectful characterization of any students at UCLA. I dint mean to offend anyone. Being an international, I have no other choice than to trust speculations made on the internet or from my peers. Many people here do talk about how much easier it is for californian residents to get accepted as opposed to internationals, especially the people who got rejected. But I seem to have been misinformed. I guess I should post this question again on a new thread, omitting my comment. Once again, I dint mean to offend anyone. Hopefully some of you will respond to the question over there. Or here?</p>

<p>^It’s harder for CA residents to get into UCLA because there have been budget cuts so the state likes to take out of state and international students to get more tuition money.</p>

<p>I don’t know where you live, but do you have any idea how different these schools and there locations are? UCA is a world class, HUGE university (over 25,000 undergraduates), in the middle of a HUGE Southern California city. The weather is warm and perfect most of the year. You must be a motivated, self starter type of person as no one will hold your hand through college. My daughter is a senior at UCLA and she loves it but it can be impersonal and overwhelming.</p>

<p>Wesleyan is in the very small Connecticut town of Middletown and is about 20 miles from a decent sized city, Hartford. The winters will be long and cold with lots of snow. It is a much smaller, private school and you would have a much more personal experience. </p>

<p>These schools are as different as the city of Hong Kong is compared to a small village on the outskirts of a small city in China. There are many, many very intelligent people at UCLA as most have to have an extremely high gpa to be admitted. For a CA resident to be admitted they must be in the top of their high school class. My daughter is very bright but she has often told me how intelligent her fellow students are. But because UCLA is so big you have all types of people: athletes, computer geeks, fashionistas, history fanatics, science nerds, party lovers, bookworms, etc. You might find a more intellectual atmosphere at Wesleyan only because it is smaller and the cold weather, small town and the intellectual atmosphere will appeal to a smaller segment of the population.</p>

<p>Go to the website <a href="http://www..com%5B/url%5D">www..com</a> and enter the names of both schools and you can get a bit more info. Both are great universities but they are very different. Choose the place you think you will fit in and be most happy.</p>

<p>Thanks a lot but I cant see the name of the website you recommended. It reads as-
"Go to the website <a href=“http://www..com">www..com</a>”
Could you only comment the name, with out the “<a href=“http://www.”>www.</a>” and “.com”. Thanks.</p>

<p>The acceptance rate for California residents is around 20%.
The acceptance rate for International students is around 40%.
If California students are dumb, that would make you dumber =)</p>

<p>Hello blueman, I’m the parent of a high school senior who applied to both UCLA and Wesleyan, and she was accepted to UCLA and wait-listed at Wesleyan. I have a lot of experience with both schools, as I grew up in Connecticut and lived on the east coast of the U.S. most of my life, but have lived in southern California for the past 10 years. Several of my family members attended Wesleyan and several attended UCLA so I’ve heard many opinions about both schools and have visited both frequently. </p>

<p>My daughter is probably going to attend UCLA next year although she’s also weighing one other offer from a smaller liberal arts school in the northeast U.S. so she is making a decision similar to yours. She loves the international feel of UCLA and I also think she’s attracted a very large university where she can feel somewhat “anonymous” for awhile, be independent in an exciting, fast-paced institution with lots of great opportunities, and develop her own identity.</p>

<p>As you’ve heard from others, UCLA and Wesleyan are VERY different. As far as prestige, UCLA is more widely recognized throughout the world, but in the U.S., among those who know about good schools, a Wesleyan diploma would probably be considered a slightly more prestigious education. I believe Wesleyan is slightly more difficult to get into for an applicant from the U.S.</p>

<p>I want to correct something that was stated earlier regarding snow. Middletown, CT does not necessarily have “lots of snow” in the winter. Some years, that part of Connecticut will get lots of snow and other years, not very much at all. Many times, it rains or gets icy/slushy in the winter. It will be grey and cold from December-March, but not necessarily very snowy. Whether or not you feel the winters are harsh is also, of course, relative to your current climate and perspective. If you’re already living in a northern climate, you know what it feels like to experience all four seasons - fall, winter, spring and summer, with all of the positives and negatives of each season. This is similar to what it will be like at Wesleyan, and some people actually prefer that experience to the relatively constant temperatures in Los Angeles. </p>

<p>However, Middletown does not generally have winters as harsh as, for example, Vermont, Maine, Canada, and even schools near Boston, which are further north and generally receive more snowfall…maybe you would not notice the difference, but I grew up in southwestern Connecticut (45 miles north of NYC) and then went to college in Vermont and got my first job in Boston, and the difference in snowfall and harshness of winters was definitely noticeable between those 3 places even though they’re in the same general part of the country. NYC winters are generally not as harsh as northern Connecticut, which are not as harsh as Massachusetts, which are not as harsh as Vermont, etc…the further north you are, the more snowfall there will generally be. Again, it’s all relative to the climate where you live now and the particular year since some years get coastal storms where other years the storms tend to come from inland.</p>

<p>Middletown is not a very exciting place in itself as an older New England city, kind of a gritty place that used to be a factory town, but it has character and could be considered quaint. Lots of older brick, medium-sized buildings. As you know, it is in between NYC and Boston so there’s easy access to big cities by train. The cities of New York and Boston obviously provide a big-city urban experience so if you’re used to going to cities with hustle/bustle, many high-rise buildings, lots of culture (opera, symphony, plays, ballet, etc, etc) then you can go to NYC or Boston for a weekend and take advantage of all that. However, you will probably not be able to go to either city for a quick visit the same night (or maybe you can if you do don’t mind a 2-hr train ride each way). </p>

<p>In contrast, the City of Los Angeles and the area of Westwood, where UCLA is located, is very different from either Boston or NYC, and to me, doesn’t really feel like a large city. Los Angeles is made up of clusters of little areas…there is a downtown business center, but there are other areas, too, like the beach areas, and other areas with lots of boutiques and shops and restaurants. Then, other areas have large to mid-size businesses and automobile dealerships, and there are many, many freeways with 4-5 lanes of cars. It is gorgeous, sunny weather with palm trees in many places, but also a lot of freeways and concrete, compared to the area around Wesleyan, which is older, more historic and has lots of lawns with green grass, leafy trees (except in winter!) and looks like a classic New England town/city. The area around Wesleyan might seem a little dull and old-fashioned to you compared to the vibrant, sunny, hip area around UCLA, but you do have easy access to NYC, Boston and Yale University in the small city of New Haven is very close (about 30 minutes away) and offers a lot of cultural events, as does Wesleyan, which has a thriving arts scene.</p>

<p>Each university’s academic offerings/styles are also extremely different, as many have said. With Wesleyan, you get smaller classes in general, potentially more personal attention, but with UCLA you are part of a large, student body with worldwide recognition and lots of school spirit, especially at huge sports events (such as at football and basketball games, which are a BIG deal). </p>

<p>There are many websites that can help you compare the two, not only on specifics such as academic rankings and such but also on intangible factors and opinions. One such website is College *******, which you should Google. There’s also a book called the Fiske guide that discusses opinions about school that you might want to buy. </p>

<p>I’ve given you a lot of my random thoughts…sorry it’s so long and scattered. I feel for you because you’re unable to visit and you have such an important decision. These are very different schools so I think you have a lot to consider! Good luck and congratulations on your admission to two extraordinary colleges. Either one you choose, you’ll have lots of great opportunities ahead!!</p>

<p>This website keeps leaving out the name of other websites that you might want to check into for more opinions/college reviews/comparisons. </p>

<p>The second word that was omitted from my advice on websites is “*******” so you can Google the entire name and probably find it. Otherwise, you can PM me and I will send it to you.</p>

<p>Ha! They omitted it again…that’s a shame. Too bad we can’t fully share the information, but please send me a message if you’d like the website address. Good luck!</p>

<p>I know this is kind of irrelevant to this thread, but I don’t know how to make a new one. Anyways, I was recently admitted into UCLA as a pre-Econ major. Does anyone know if, and how, I can switch into the pre-Business Econ major? Thanks a ton!</p>

<p>The website I am trying to have you check out is: the first thing is the www then the first word of the website is: “college”, and the second word of the site is: “*******”, then follow that with :com So put those 2 words together with the www and the .com and hopefully you will get it.loos like they deleted it again. Sorry.</p>

<p>teddyster: Go to the first page of the UCLA forum where all the topics/questions are listed. Look near the top of the topics for a grey square that says “new thread” click that and begin a new thread/question. No one will see your question here. Good luck.</p>

<p>Regarding SAT scores between the two:</p>

<p>1) You have to remember that UCLA is a public U that devalues scores, esp for those students from poor economic background who can’t “buy” high scores, by many retakes combined with the study under personal tutors or “expensive” prep courses (expensive for the poorer students). I would guess that UCLA would have higher mean gpas weighted/unweighted between the two, and higher average class rank.</p>

<p>2) Wesleyan undoubtedly superscores. UCLA does not; in addition it counts all scores, even those redundant ones students have taken between the SAT and ACT, a total of 125%+ and in some years almost as high as 140%. I would imagine all private u’s would count exactly 100%, or highest scores from each individual student.</p>