UCLA's Chancellor vs. USC's President

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of California - Los Angeles
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<p>UCLA's Chancellor (Albert Carnesale) vs. USC's President (Steven Sample)</p>

<p>Former experience:
Carnesale: Provost of Harvard
Sample: President of SUNY Buffalo</p>

<p>Choice of residence:
Carnesale: On campus, in the Chancellor's Residence
Sample: Lives in San Marino</p>

<p>Experience outside academia:
Carnesale: Government negotiator with the Soviet Union during the Cold War
Sample: Wrote patents for digital home appliances</p>

<p>Teaching:
Carnesale: Teaches an undergrad course in international affairs and security
Sample: Teaches an undergrad course in leadership skills</p>

<p>Response to Sept. 11, 2001:
Carnesale: Addressed the campus on Sept. 13
Sample: Addressed the campus on Sept. 21</p>

<p>Words of Wisdom:
Carnesale: "Be intellectually aggressive. Explore a variety of subjects."
Sample: "Think gray. Don't form opinions if you don't have to."</p>

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<p>Boo-yah!!!</p>

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<p><applause></applause></p>

<p>I think we have a winner.</p>

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<p>his undergrad fiat lux course is pretty popular. it was full but i went to the first day of class anyway to see if i could enroll and they wouldnt let me. boooo. the chancellor's meeting room is nice though.</p>

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<p>"Under President Sample's leadership, the endowment has quintupled to $2.4 billion."</p>

<p>thats a quote from Daily Trojan.</p>

<p>hows ucla's endowment looking?</p>

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<p>Yeah I don't believe in outlining all this past of the person stuff. Some of my favorite Presidents of the country didn't even go to college or they got C's (hehe Bush) and some of my least favorite leaders went to ivy leagues and had tons of experience. </p>

<p>Anyways yeah I think that Sample has done an amazing job if USC has climbed up the way it has in rankings since he took on the leadership role. </p>

<p>But who the President/Chancellor is won't affect my decision. I'm STILL leaning towards UCLA!</p>

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<p>Lol. Home appliances.</p>

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<p>All right! Man, quintupled endowment! Wow! Look at that money! Don't worry kids, we have the money for you so that you don't have to think; you don't have to form your own opinions! You just need money! Holy smokes, look at that. You don't need to reason as long as you have grand reserve of money.</p>

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<p>I find your comparison between Pres. Sample (USC) and Chancellor Carnesale (UCLA) asinine. Here’s my opinion on this topic. I will use the same format. </p>

<p>Education
Carnesale- Third tier toilet (MA, Drexel University, PH.D, North Carolina State). Where the hell is Drexel University located? I never heard of such a school. I guess it shows his intellectual abilities in terms of engineering, or lack thereof.<br>
Sample- One of the best engineering schools in the nation (BS; PH.D, Univ. of Illinois)</p>

<p>Academic membership
Carnesale- not a member of NAE
Sample- member of the national academy of engineering (highest honor given to an engineer). I don’t think Mr. Carnesale is a good engineer at all. </p>

<p>Choice of residence
Carnesale- Westwood (UCLA)
Sample- San Marino. Every USC president lives in San Marino, because that is where the Presidential mansion is located. Moreover, most people would agree that San Marino is a better location than Westwood. </p>

<p>Former experience:
Carnesale: Provost of Harvard (for only three years 1994-1997); professor of public policy and academic dean of the Kennedy School of Government (1981-1991); Dean (1991-1995). Not bad, but nothing much to really brag about. Yeah, he was a provost at Harvard for a short period of time, but what did he accomplish there? </p>

<p>Sample: President of SUNY Buffalo. By comparison, Sample turned around a mediocre state school (SUNY Buffalo) into a respectable institution. One of his greatest accomplishments there was to admit SUNY Buffalo into the Association of American Universities, which is a select group of elite research institutions in North America. Both UCLA and USC are members in 1974 and 1969, respectively. </p>

<p>Experience outside academia:
Carnesale: Government negotiator with the Soviet Union during the Cold War</p>

<p>Sample: Wrote numerous patents for digital home appliances controls that have been licensed to practically every major manufacturer of appliance controls and microwave ovens in the world. Over 300 million home appliances have been built using his inventions. Sample has accomplished more than Carnesale can ever dream about. Here is an abbreviated list of Pres. Sample’s accomplishments outside of academia. I am abbreviating his accomplishments since he has done so many great things. </p>

<ul>
<li> Chaired a number of statewide and national groups examining the state of elementary, secondary, and higher education. </li>
<li> Convened a group of Los Angeles leaders which was awarded a historic $53 million challenge grant from the Annenberg Foundation to accelerate reforms in local public schools. </li>
<li> Currently serves on the California Commission for Jobs and Economic Growth </li>
<li> Trustee of the J. Paul Getty Trust. </li>
<li> Co-founded the Association of Pacific Rim Universities (APRU), a consortium of 34 premier Pacific Rim research universities located in 15 countries. </li>
<li> Past chairman of the Association of American Universities (AAU), a consortium of the 63 leading North American research universities. </li>
<li> Chaired a special AAU committee on postdoctoral education, and currently co-chairs an AAU task force on increasing protection for human subjects in university-based research.</li>
<li> His book, The Contrarian's Guide to Leadership, has been a Los Angeles Times best-seller, was chosen by the Toronto Globe as one of the 10 best business books of 2001, and has been translated into five languages</li>
</ul>

<p>Teaching:
Carnesale: Teaches an undergrad course in international affairs and security
Sample: Teaches an undergrad course in leadership skills. </p>

<p>If given a choice, I would rather take a class by Sample over Carnesale any day. What the hell does Carnesale know about international affairs and security? The guy got his degrees in mechanical and nuclear engineering and at the same time these degrees are from less than stellar institutions of higher learning. This leads me to believe that Carnesale is not a good engineer. Why is this guy teaching public policy and administration, and not engineering? And at the same time, why would anybody take a class from a person who is not an expert in his or her particular field? </p>

<p>Conversely, Sample’s leadership class is one of the most highly sought classes at USC. It is by invitation only by a faculty member. And yes, Pres. Sample is an expert in the field of leadership, unlike Carnesale. </p>

<p>Fundraising
Carnesale: ? Does UCLA even have an endowment?</p>

<p>Sample: conducted the most successful fund-raising campaign in the history of higher education and received four gifts of $100 million or more, a record unmatched by any other university in the nation (more than Harvard, Yale Stanford, etc.) Better yet, the board of Trustees have agreed to raise an additional $6 billion in the near future. </p>

<p>Words of Wisdom:
Carnesale: "Be intellectually aggressive. Explore a variety of subjects."</p>

<p>Sample: "Think gray. Don't form opinions if you don't have to." I would tend to follow Pres. Sample’s advice since his book The Contrarian's Guide to Leadership, was selected as Los Angeles Times best-seller and was chosen by the Toronto Globe as one of the 10 best business books of 2001, and has been translated into five languages. In contrast, who would follow advice from a guy that went to Drexel College; err, Drexel University and North Carolina State Community College; err, NC State U. </p>

<p>Response to Sept. 11, 2001:
Carnesale: Addressed the campus on Sept. 13
Sample: Addressed the campus on Sept. 21</p>

<p>Pres. Sample had better things to do: like raising billions of the dollars for the university. </p>

<p>I find your comparison between Albert Carnesale and Steven Sample laughable. Most administrators and professors in academia consider Steven Sample one of the best University presidents in the world. On the other hand, Albert Carnsale is an average leader at best. Your futile attempt to denigrate USC and Steven Sample has failed miserably. Try coming up with better arguments next time. However, I don’t foresee better arguments in the future since everyone knows Sample is a better leader/President than Carnesale.</p>

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<p>uscken your post is weaker, OP didnt have to add comments to each category to put down one school and praise another, you just added spin. look at your post </p>

<p>"Experience outside academia:
Carnesale: Government negotiator with the Soviet Union during the Cold War</p>

<p>Sample: Wrote numerous patents for digital home appliances controls that have been licensed to practically every major manufacturer of appliance controls and microwave ovens in the world. Over 300 million home appliances have been built using his inventions. Sample has accomplished more than Carnesale can ever dream about. Here is an abbreviated list of Pres. Sample’s accomplishments outside of academia. I am abbreviating his accomplishments since he has done so many great things.</p>

<ul>
<li>Chaired a number of statewide and national groups examining the state of elementary, secondary, and higher education.</li>
<li>Convened a group of Los Angeles leaders which was awarded a historic $53 million challenge grant from the Annenberg Foundation to accelerate reforms in local public schools.</li>
<li>Currently serves on the California Commission for Jobs and Economic Growth</li>
<li>Trustee of the J. Paul Getty Trust.</li>
<li>Co-founded the Association of Pacific Rim Universities (APRU), a consortium of 34 premier Pacific Rim research universities located in 15 countries.</li>
<li>Past chairman of the Association of American Universities (AAU), a consortium of the 63 leading North American research universities.</li>
<li>Chaired a special AAU committee on postdoctoral education, and currently co-chairs an AAU task force on increasing protection for human subjects in university-based research.</li>
<li>His book, The Contrarian's Guide to Leadership, has been a Los Angeles Times best-seller, was chosen by the Toronto Globe as one of the 10 best business books of 2001, and has been translated into five languages
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</ul>

<p>I wonder which school your trying to make look better by putting one accomplishment for carnesale and listing all of samples its downright funny</p>

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<p>I'm sorry...when did addressing a national tragedy take second place to raising money?</p>

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<p>eiffel: I'm guessing he's a Republican.</p>

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<p>{cringe}</p>

<p>Ouch Laurak; not all Republicans are bad...</p>

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<p>*"Think gray. Don't form opinions if you don't have to." *</p>

<p>I'm sorry, but you would follow unbelievably crappy advice like that just because his book did well?
Looks like Mr. Sample is just following the fine USC tradition encouraging their students to not think for themselves and, as you pointed out, value money over all else.</p>

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<p>Yeah, Sample must be better, since we all know education is about money.</p>

<p>-Ender</p>

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<p>eiffel: I know, but it was a cheap shot I couldn't resist making, especially considering the ludicrous arguments being made in this thread. But I know several Republicans who are intelligent, incredible people; I'm no ideological elitist.</p>

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<p>Shock! You mean the quality of education is not proportionate to money? </p>

<p>Oh yeah, that explains why Berkeley, UCLA, UVa, UMich, Ann Arbor are so far behind USC in terms of academics...oh wait; that's not the case is it. The aforementioned public schools are ahead of USC. Well, well--look at that.</p>

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<p>UCB is number one now, knocking UVa down to #2. But, UVa was kind enough to provide a comparison between the two schools via the Cavalier Daily. It has softened the blow of being waitlisted there, and made me very happy I didn't waste the money on applying to UCB. Point being, I'm happier now about UCLA. </p>

<p>Why this thread and not some other thread? Because UCLA is indeed ahead of USC, but it's also better than UCB as far as enivironment goes. So, it's is now better than TWO schools.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=3581&pid=553%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=3581&pid=553&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Shock! You mean the quality of education is not proportionate to money? </p>

<p>Oh yeah, that explains why Berkeley, UCLA, UVa, UMich, Ann Arbor are so far behind USC in terms of academics...oh wait; that's not the case is it. The aforementioned public schools are ahead of USC. Well, well--look at that.</p>

<p>You are so ignorant! You don’t have a clue about higher education. Let me enlighten you. </p>

<p>There is a strong correlation between the endowment of a particular university and the academic quality offered. The best universities have the most resources, which can help recruit the best students and faculty. Case in point, Harvard, Yale, Stanford and other elite private universities have the largest endowments compared to other universities. It is no coincidence that these schools are the best in terms of academic quality while at the same time, these schools have the largest amount of money in their endowment funds. </p>

<p>USC just completed the most successful fund raising campaign in the history of higher education by raising over $2.4 billion dollars. This money will be used to endow faculty chairs, scholarships, research centers, etc. Currently, USC has used $100 million dollars to recruit 100 distinguished professors in the College of letters, arts & sciences. </p>

<p>Furthermore, you are correct that USC is ranked below the schools that you mentioned; but not by much. According to U.S. News & world report, the Univ. of Michigan is rank #22, Univ. of Virginia #22, Univ. of California- Berkeley #21, UCLA #25 tied. USC is currently ranked #30, which isn’t a significant difference. Moreover, USC is gaining momentum and will eventually surpass all the schools mentioned above very soon. </p>

<p>Clearly, money is a factor when public schools are losing faculty to private schools because of financial difficulty. There was a recent article in the Chronicle of Higher Education illustrating some UCLA faculty leaving for private Universities like Stanford. And, UC Berkeley’s law school trying to become a private school shows the vulnerability that many public schools have in terms of finances. USC does not have this problem since it has the #20 largest endowment, and will soon add more money when the fund raising drive to raise $6 billion will soon commence. Hence, money and the quality of education go hand and hand.</p>

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<p>the reason why Berkeley, UCLA, UVa, UMich, Ann Arbor, ut austin are as good as there are is b/c they get lots of research money from the federal and state gov. and there are a lot more public schools then private schools, yet most only regard the afformentioned with any real quality. what did you think made top plublics as good as they are? quality of students? hell no. interesting how top publics seem to be in well off states. how come montana doesnt have a top public. or kansas. how about alaska or hawaii.</p>

<p>"You mean the quality of education is not proportionate to money?" it is.</p>