<p>how much does it cost for in-state? i can't find it on the website...</p>
<p>2006-2007 STUDENT BUDGETS (in state fees) <a href="http://saawww.ucsf.edu/financial/general/budget.htm%5B/url%5D">http://saawww.ucsf.edu/financial/general/budget.htm</a></p>
<p>Out of state surcharge is $12,245 for med.</p>
<p>20-25k a year, thats not horrible! i hope ill be able to get in when the time comes</p>
<p>that was not counting the 'cost of living' or 'room and board' which was in the last column-more like $45-$48K a year. Unless mom and dad live in SF and you live at home.</p>
<p>indeed i do live in san francisco</p>
<p>Living at home considerably alters the dynamics of medical school. While I understand the financial benefits, I do not recommend it. Among my classmates whose families live in the city -- easily 20 or more -- not a single one of them lives "at home".</p>
<p>$47K/year will save you approximately $8K/year relative to my current expenses, and I live in a very nice place and attend a private medical school. That's the penalty to going to school in SF.</p>
<p>(Can you imagine what expenses must be for a Stanford student??)</p>
<p>Furthermore, the UC's cannot afford good financial aid packages -- so if you're on $8K worth of financial aid, private schools become CHEAPER than UCSF.</p>
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<p>Hey, no need to imagine.</p>
<p>$80K/year to live off-campus. Yow.</p>
<p>I'm so glad that I go to a state school, and even though I'm out of state that I get a tuition waiver that pays for the difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition. </p>
<p>And I feel bad for a good friend I went to undergrad with who is now at Stanford Med...</p>
<p>And I'm glad I escaped from CA.</p>
<p>why do reccomend living on campus?</p>
<p>I do not recommend living at home because medical school is a very independent process -- you will have to learn to take charge of your own time, your own psychology, your own responsibilities.</p>
<p>I don't recommend living at home for college because it's a time when you're supposed to grow up and learn to take responsibility.</p>
<p>Medical school, though, is yet another animal, because it's a deeply personal time and soon others will be relying on you for that responsibility. Of course living at home does not mean you'll be an irreponsible doctor. Obviously my statement is not that strong.</p>
<p>But I do mean that moving away from your parents is an important part of building the independence and strength that you'll need to rely on as time goes on. It's a big deal, and -- as previously mentioned -- not a single one of my classmates lives "at home".</p>
<p>In any case. You're not yet in college. The point is moot for at least five years and may not come up at all.</p>
<p>Oh, PS: UCSF tuition is rising faster than other schools' as well. The AD there mentioned that it's doubled in the past three years, and that he didn't expect a slowdown for the coming year.</p>
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<p>Yeah, but that's if you stay for all 4 quarters (including the summer). To make a fair comparison you then have to factor in would it would cost you to go to UCSF (or any other state school) for the summer.</p>
<p>Personally, I think the real figure that should be used is the 60-63k for 3 quarters figure, depending on whether you live on campus or off. Contrast that with the 43-49k non-summer total costs for UCSF as stated in the link above, which doesn't include an extra 12k for non-resident fees. The upshot is that UCSF is only slightly cheaper than Stanford if you are out-of-state, and 11-20k a year cheaper if you are in-state, which is some savings, but frankly, isn't that huge of a savings. Either way, you're going to end up in a pile of debt. </p>
<p>You can actually see that, according to the figures, the cost of living for Stanford and for UCSF is basically the same. You don't really pay that much more to live in the South Bay than in San Francisco. Let's face it. San Francisco is a very expensive city.</p>
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<p>Personally, I don't feel bad for anybody who gets into any medical school. After all, there are PLENTY of people who don't get in anywhere at all and would LOVE to trade places with that guy going to Stanford. If there are people to feel bad for, it's thos people who work extremely hard as undergrad premeds, and still don't get in anywhere. </p>
<p>And besides, look at it this way. Hey may be able to leverage the Stanford brand name later in his career. For example, if he chooses to specialize in elective procedures, like plastic surgery or LASIK, he will be able to advertise to the public that he is a Stanford medical school graduate. That advertising may more than pay for itself in terms of greater business, because regular consumers don't know what the good med-schools are. All they know are general school brand names. Or he may get into administrative jobs or work for a biotech where, again, plenty of people he will work with won't know what the top med-schools are, and will also know little more than general brand names.</p>
<p>Don't get me wrong, I'm not feeling bad for her for going to Stanford, just the amount of money she's taking out. It's like when someone has a really bad sunburn...that they got in Hawaii. You feel bad for them, but not too bad...And if you just got back from Hawaii too, then you can feel bad for their sunburn without the associated envy of a great vacation (not that med school is anything like Hawaii...)</p>
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<p>Medical students only get one summer off. They're four quarters the rest of the way.</p>
<p>Fair enough. Then we should be quoting a comparable figure of 51.5k for UCSF in-state and 63.5 k for out-of-state for 4 quarters. </p>
<p>Point taken and conceded.</p>
<p>For my purposes, the relevant comparison is my private medical school. It's estimated expenses -- which I've found to be generous -- are $56K. That's about $4.5K more than UCSF* and $24K less than Stanford.</p>
<p>*I'd have been in-state.</p>
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<p>For my purposes, the relevant comparison is my private medical school. It's estimated expenses -- which I've found to be generous -- are $56K. That's about $4.5K more than UCSF* and $24K less than Stanford.</p>
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<p>Well, I think the Stanford figures are also rather generous too. I mean, honestly, what kind of a spendthrift student really eats $6748 worth of food in a year? That's $18 of food a day. I mean, you're supposed to be a student, so you're supposed to be living cheap. If that means Ramen every day, then it means Ramen every day.</p>
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In the two decades since 1984, median tuition and fees have increased by 165% in private medical schools and by 312% in public medical schools, growing far more rapidly than the consumer price index (Figure 1). In constant dollar terms, the increases have been 50% and133%, respectively. The cost of a medical education is far less affordable to students and their families today than it was two decades ago.
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<p>As you have noted, in state tuition at UCSF is a modest bargain. Twenty years ago medical school tuition at UCSF was $532 a quarter, a savings of about $20,000 compared to private medical schools.</p>
<p>See the AAMC fee reports at: <a href="http://services.aamc.org/tsfreports/%5B/url%5D">http://services.aamc.org/tsfreports/</a></p>
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