UF Class of 2023 Stats

@houndmom @Gator88NE This excerpt is from a insidehighered.com regarding rankings and more specifically how to improve in regards to colleges. This specific example was cited towards the University of Rochester(currently 33) and what steps they would have to take to get into the top 20.

“To get into the top 20, Rochester would also have to increase its graduation rate by 2 percent, enroll more students who were in the top 10 percent of their high school graduating class, get more alumni to give, cut the acceptance rate and increase the SAT and ACT scores of incoming students.”

If you look at some recent UF news releases, they are hopeful that their way into top 5 publics is to hire 500 more professors by this fall and drop student/ facility ratio to 16:1…supposedly they are well on their way to this hiring goal

@moscott Lots of ways to skin a cat, when it comes to the US News rankings.

As @houndmom said, test scores are only worth 7.5% of the rankings. Others factors have more weight.

UF is focused on three different “areas”.

First, is graduation rates. US News calls this Outcomes and it’s worth 35% of the overall score. It breaks down as social mobility (5 percent), graduation and retention (22 percent), and graduation rate performance (8 percent). Social mobility is looking at Pell Grant student’s graduation rates.

UF wants to raise it’s graduation rates, since it’s a KEY metric with the State of Florida Performance based funding. Improving graduation rates will get UF millions in additional funding (which can then been spent on facilities, faculty and scholarships). It’s not only about the US News rankings.

UF has several initiatives to improve graduation rates. For example, they found that financial challenges is often the key driver for students to drop out of class. They are now trying to identify students that may be at risk, during the semester and offer them additional grants to keep them enrolled.

Next, is Faculty Resources, which is worth 20% of the overall score. This includes class size, faculty salary, student-faculty ratio’s, etc. Improving in these areas directly impacts the services being offered to students. UF is in the middle of hiring 500 additional full time faculty members.

Finally, UF wants to raise it’s national image. This would impact the Expert Opinion element of US News rankings (20%). This portion is based on survey data (peer and high school counselor’s). Raising UF’s national reputation, would add value to an UF degree, and make it easier to recruit students and faculty.

It’s very hard to move these survey results. When UF was able to break into the top 10, it was manly due to a 0.1 point improvement in the survey results.

If UF improves in all of these different areas, then student demand will increase. With more students applying to UF, the school would naturally become more competitive and test scores would increase.

@Gator88NE Absolutely many ways to skin a cat. Simply by adjusting the SAT/ACT that 7.5% could adjust UF up 3 points. Beyond that, as I mentioned before, you would “likely” add more high achieving students. This would most likely result in a higher graduation rate. The higher ranking = higher selectivity which in turn increases applications at the same time lowering acceptance rates. It’s a snowball effect to simply adjusting perhaps the easiest metric which is test scores. Of course the rest of the categories still need to be addressed but they are more difficult in practicality.

Think of how many high achieving top end kids are choosing not to matriculate at UF and end up choosing a higher ranked college. I’m not saying they are right or should but it is a fact that parents and kids do place a great deal in college rankings. Heck I’ve seen a lot already stating they are waiting for Ivy day or other top schools. Put yourself in position to make the choice a great deal harder to pass up a school like UF and the simplest way to start is ACT/SAT imo.

To me the best school is where the recruiters go. USNWR while a good reference is just that. UCF is lost in the rankings and even for CS. But ask any industry person and UCF CS has some cred. Im not going to UCF but just saying where’s the money after grad?

Interestingly enough, UF’s yield (the % of accepted students that enroll) is higher than UM-Michigan, UVa, UNC-CH, UCLA and UC-Berkeley.

Then again, Georgia Southern University and Middle Tennessee State both have higher yields than UF. :slight_smile:

@Gator88NE ^^ That is very interesting. My D19 has been accepted at UVa and UNC, and we were noticing that both schools noted that in-state yield was significantly higher than OOS yield (as you would expect). This probably helped deflect criticism that schools are accepting OOS kids at the expense of in-state kids. Does UF ever release admission stats broken out by in-state/OOS?

@MathMomGA I posted data from UVA and UNC earlier today. I could not find any data from UF regarding # of applications, admittances or enrollment for OOS at that time. Since then, I found some data from 2017 on UF’s website showing that 83.6% of freshman enrolled are In State. But, that does not answer the yield or % accepted questions.

UNC acceptance was 41% for In State and 13% or OOS. Yield was 61% for In State and 22% for OOS.
UVA acceptance was 38% for In State and 26% for OOS. Yield was 58% for In State and 24% for OOS. UVA mandates that 67% of students have to be In State.

They both received about twice as many applications from OOS than they did In State.

@MathMomGA @fl1234 You can find an admissions breakdown by In-state/OOS/International, in the UF Office of Enrollment Annual report. This data is for 2018 Summer/Fall admits. It’s on page 10.

https://admissions.ufl.edu/publications

You can get yield, admit rate by in state, OOS and international for 2018 by googling 2018 UF Office of Admissions Annual Report…in state yield was 59% (5555/9415), OOS 22% ( 935/4250). Interestingly the OOS admit rate was 45% (4250/9442) vs in state of 36% ( (9415/26015). I am not sure I understand that. It could be that much smaller OOS applicants are of a higher quality vs the 26000 in state. Harder to maintain quality with a much larger group maybe. It would be interesting to know average SAT/ GPA for the respective groups. Melissa96 is it possible for you to shed some light on that? Thanks in advance??

Does anyone know how to find out the number of Valedictorians that were admitted?

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How does a student enter dual enrollment on the SSAR. Do they add all classes taken or just core academic? For example if a student took Criminology at a Community College is that added into the UF GPA? Is ENC 1101 entered into the UF GPA? Thanks for your help!

@funfit There is no way to know that since Valedictorians are almost always decided near graduation time.

@funfit, you include all classes on the SSAR, including Dual Enrollment classes. UF treats DE classes the same way they treat AP classes for GPA purposes.

Thank you so much for your replies. I am a junior and closely following all this years discussion. So please pardon my ignorance so all dual enrollment classes count regardless of topic?

I am getting nervous because I have close to 60 dual enrollment credits already. I started dual enrollment to learn about different subjects to see what I liked. I have marketing classes, education classes, medical terminology and several math. I never wanted my AA and only want to be a freshman.

Have I made a big mistake??? Any advice is appreciated.

I don’t think you have made a mistake. If anything it may open up more opportunities for you. It will certainly save you a bunch of tuition expense in college. My daughter was just telling me today that she wishes she had started doing Dual Enrollment her junior year in high school instead of waiting for her senior year.

You may want to start your own thread instead of posting here in Stats. You’ll get a lot more responses.

@funfit Don’t worry about the number of DE credits you’ve earned.

If admitted as a freshman student, UF will cap it at 45 credits. The DE credits will not count toward your UF GPA. They will not count toward the Excess Credit Hours surcharge. They will not count toward Bright Futures paid credit limit.

Some folks take advantage of the credits by graduating early, picking up a minor, or doing a dual degree. Both of my kids (in engineering) were able to limit the number of credits they take per semester (12 to 14), and get more involved in other activities (sorority, design teams, etc.).

If you do earn your AA, and don’t get admitted as a freshman, then UF will give you a second chance by submitting your applications directly to the college (of your major) and treating you as a transfer student. If you do get accepted, then you would be a junior when starting school. You would still have the option to pick up a minor, earning a dual degree, etc.

DE isn’t capped at 45. Test scores AP, IB, AICE, CLEP etc total credits are capped at 45