<p>Hello,</p>
<p>Just wondering what everyone thinks about UIC (in terms of business) and IU - Kelley Business school. I am an Illinois student and my dad raised the question of why not go to UIC. First I noticed was the ranks, IU has a rank lingering in the top 20s, while UIC is at an unbearable rank somewhere around 150. Also, although the tuition may be 6k cheaper for UIC, wouldn't I have greater opportunities at Kelley?</p>
<p>I’d say go to Kelley. I know some people there who told me it’s an amazing business school. One of my friends is graduating with a triple major and already has a job for proctor and gamble, so yes there are opportunities. Have u gotten direct admit to Kelley?</p>
<p>Yeah I am directly admitted and was actually there today for the direct admit day, campus is awesome. I was hoping that this trip would win over my parents but they are still hesitant unfortunately. I don’t know how to win them over!!</p>
<p>Yeah the campus is beautiful. Are you going to be OOS for kelley? Because i can see that as a reason why your parents don’t want yout to attend. But seriously, Kelley is a great business school, tell your parents to go online and do some research on Kelley if they’re that hesistant to send you there. Kelley is usually a top 10 b-school but they’ve been dropping recently but still very good school. Why do they like UIC so much?</p>
<p>Yeah I’m in Illinois. My dad is well aware of the rankings of Indiana being #8 in business when it comes to public universities only. He would like me to go there but is skeptical at the same time and asks me, isn’t a CPA from here or there the same thing? I try to explain to him how the top firms don’t recruit from a school such as UIC ha (which he also knows isn’t that good in the rankings). Being middle class suckss.</p>
<p>If you do go to UIC you just have to stand out…meaning you better have a solid gpa. But there is a difference of CPA from kelley and UIC. One will have a better education then the other and will be more prepared than the CPA from UIC. But if your family will have financial trouble sending you to IU then i’d go to UIC, OOS is pretty damn expensive… You dont wanna be in debt fresh outta college.</p>
<p>No one cares about rank of a school. It might help with your first job, but not your second. Where my sister works in Chicago, there have a de facto no hire policy on new grads with no experience from Northwestern and University of Chicago.
UIC is in Chicago and it will put you in a better location for networking.
UIC business is not that easy to get into. UIC does have a good reputation in finance/accounting.
The debt will take longer to get rid of than the all important experience which equalizes everything.</p>
<p>Nova, That is really good advice.<br>
I’m curious about what kind of stats it takes now to get into Kelley direct admit. My son is an Indiana resident…3.7 GPA, top 10%, UW…800M 670CR Academy of Finance, BC Calc, APUSH, APLit, APChem, 4 years of honors Spanish, Varsity Sports, Math Team, 9th in State at State Math exam.</p>
<p>“Admitted to IU Bloomington and indicated business as your intended major
ACT composite score of 29 or SAT composite of 1270 (including only math and critical reading sections)
Top 10 percent of high school class or 3.7 GPA (on a 4.0 scale)”</p>
<p>I guess I answered my question.</p>
<p>Kelley without a doubt. I also don’t agree that it only matters for the first job.</p>
<p>The thing is… my parents aren’t struggling financially, and my EFC is 150% of the COA at Kelley so there shouldn’t be a problem paying for it because they’re not big spenders. </p>
<p>Kelley has a great network and alumni system set up in Chicago; Indianapolis, Chicago, and New York are their top 3 recruiting cities.</p>
<p>Also, if one says, a college will only help you out with your first job, doesn’t that set you up for the rest of your career? Meaning you will get a better job from then on out versus someone who didn’t go to a better school.</p>
<p>Just tell your parents you pay the difference between UIC and Bloomington. Problem solved!</p>
<p>Good idea machman.</p>
<p>If finances aren’t an issue, I don’t think there is a comparison. Indiana far outweighs UIC. Honestly, UIC is a school I would reserve for a student where there are issues requiring them to stay in the Chicago area (such as an ailing parent) or if the student wants to go into an allied health field. Indiana has a nationwide network. UIC does not, and there are more well-regarded schools in the Chicago area – even leaving aside NU and U of C, DePaul and Loyola are more well regarded for entry level business jobs.</p>
<p>What about Uof Illinois, Urbana? That’s also an excellent school.</p>
<p>Now about the whole “parents aren’t struggling” thing. Some parents really are more practical than that. My husband is very confident that since IU is so highly ranked and in state, he should absolutely go there. Maybe he should. I really can’t argue with that logic. But my son WANTS to go to Miami of Ohio. He loved it. It fit him. It’s an emotional thing. So he has to make it work. There is a scholarship available there for out of state students that he is very close to qualifying for. That will shave 9k off the bill. We’ll pay up to 20. He’s still 8k a year off. He can work for part of it and maybe look for a little more scholarship money and have a couple thousand left a year to finance. I suspect that you could work out a similar arrangement in your circumstances. Talk to your folks and work at it a little.</p>
<p>I personally think, in this economy, it is not wise to overspend on an undergraduate degree.</p>
<p>I got into U of I but not into the business school, that being said, U of I is raising their tuition 20%, bringing it even closer to IU’s tuition. Also, I would get my MBA in accounting with IU’s 5 year program, which would also give me enough hours for the CPA while doing so, which UIC does not provide.</p>
<p>I’d be willing to help my parents like your son, I just need to make some compromises in the near future.</p>
<p>@debrockman - you should definitely take a look at the IU automatic scholarships too - they accept a weighted gpa …</p>
<p>[Automatic</a> Academic Scholarships: Office of Scholarships: Indiana University Bloomington](<a href=“http://scholarships.indiana.edu/pages/automatic.php]Automatic”>http://scholarships.indiana.edu/pages/automatic.php)</p>
<p>My son is loving IU Kelley and we are loving the scholarship!</p>
<p>Shanghai, I’m trying to pretend that the automatic scholarship is not part of the picture…only because we told our son that we would pay the price of in state. The fact that he “earns” an automatic scholarship, in my mind, makes that “extra” HIS money…which we are trying to suggest to him would not be a bad thing after he graduated…to use for grad school OR a house down payment.</p>
<p>Shanghai, my son is pretty conservative…IU is fairly liberal and our daughter REALLY had a hard time in the party environment. How has your son adapted to that? Our son thinks he might like the Kelley LLC (living/learning community) or an honors dorm. Our daughter lived in Briscoe and it was insanity.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that for a kid who wants business school, who is from Indiana, Kelley as a direct admit is a fabulous bargain.</p>
<p>But as long as he fits this into my overall financial parameters, it is ultimately his choice and Miami is also a fine school…with a little different culture. Did you visit?</p>
<p>I think your son would like the Kelley LLC if he wants something more conservative. They spoke about it quite a bit at the direct admit day yesterday. This year was the first year IU did it and they say it went so well, that they will be doubling the size of the program for next year. He should strongly consider IU! Especially with a larger school like this, you can make it what you want.</p>
<p>dman, I agree. IU is working very very hard to give freshman a smaller start into the big school. I’m actually very impressed. And I think the LLC sounds awesome. I do know that we will not make the same mistake that we made with our daughter (not to mention they are completely different personalities)…he will not live in a crazy dorm.</p>
<p>His Academy of Finance program will be spending some time at IU. I hope that they can change his mind. His sister’s awful IU experience was not representative of the university, in my mind. I do wish that the University would clamp down on underage drinking. My daughter’s dorm was awful.</p>
<p>I also love the town of B-town…there is such a cool international feel with all the neat restaurants and shops.</p>
<p>Enjoy IU. I’m a Kelley grad from the '80’s.</p>