<p>Namely, what are people's opinions of the lesser-known UK schools such as Nottingham, Warwick, Durham, etc.?</p>
<p>What would you compare them to in the US (for undergraduate education)?</p>
<p>Perhaps:</p>
<p>Warwick, Durham = Wake Forest, Tufts, William & Mary and the like</p>
<p>Nottingham = Ohio State and the like</p>
<p>What creates the disparity between Warwick, Durham and the like and Nottingham and the like? To my knowledge, Nottingham Warwick and Durham typically accept the same students, etc. No?</p>
<p>^ RML is prolly referring to reputation or something as long as you have not attended a school you cannot really confidently compare undergraduate education.</p>
<p>rml:</p>
<p>How about st andrews?</p>
<p>I don’t think Nottingham is generally viewed in the league of Warwick and Durham. St Andrews is, but certainly not Notts. Notts is in a league below Warwick, Durham and St Andrews, and it’s where UCL, Bristol and Edinburgh belong too.</p>
<p>In the UK, it’s generally:</p>
<p>Group 1: Cambridge, Oxford</p>
<p>Group 2: Imperial, LSE</p>
<p>Group 3a: UCL, Warwick
Group 3b: Durham, St Andrews, Bristol, Edinburgh</p>
<p>Group 4: Bath, King’s, Notts, Exeter, York, Manchester</p>
<p>Group 5: Leeds, Birmingham, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Sheffield, Glasgow, etc…</p>
<p>What causes the split of 3a and 3b; and the comparison you made was Tufts, William and Mary, Wake forest for group 3 and Ohio state for group 4, so that still leaves the question of what causes such a disparity between groupings? </p>
<p>And, of course, what do you feel places 3a and 3b at around Tufts, William and Mary, etc. rather than somewhere higher up?</p>
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The sought-after-ness of Warwick grads in the banking and financial industry. Warwick is one of the core UK unis in which the big banks in the UK tap for talents. </p>
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I was thinking of their global popularity and respectability. Warwick and Durham are as respected as Tufts outside of their respective domain.</p>
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None. </p>
<p>UK unis number only around a little over a hundred whilst the US has over 3k. Whilst Oxbridge equals HYPSM, the next best UK unis (Imperial and LSE) do not enjoy a narrow gap with Oxbridge in terms of prestige internationally. In other words, internationally, there is a huge gap that separates Oxbridge from the rest of the unis in the UK.</p>
<p>Yes, there is a large disparity with the international reputation of Oxbridge and then LSE/Imperial, etc. </p>
<p>Would you say that your ranking is based on international prestige overall, or only within the US? And are you comparing the international reputation of Ohio State to schools such as Nottingham; Tuft, W&M, Wake to Durham, Warwick, etc.?</p>
<p>Disregarding International reputation and only looking at domestic reputation, what do these schools compare to? Are Durham, etc. still on the same level? Is Nottingham, etc. still on the same level? What about in terms of perceived educational quality?</p>
<p>Let me emphasize this clearly that (international) prestige does not always equal educational quality. Several top quality schools in the US aren’t prestigious locally or internationally. For example, Amherst College offers a top education though no one has really heard of Amherst. Warwick offers a top quality education. For example, its maths are considered the next best to Cambridge’s. But people outside of the UK do not really know that. For many people outside of the UK, it is better to study math-related courses in LSE than in Warwick. For the well-informed, Warwick is better than LSE for maths-related subjects. </p>
<p>My ranking/assessment was based on the general global prestige of the given schools. Warwick, for instance, is generally considered a top 6 uni in the UK. And many people around the world who have heard of it would view it exactly that way too, in relation to other UK unis. However, when the same people would try to pit it against those schools in the US, it would be more likely that the nearest US schools that they can identify to match Warwick is Tufts, Wake Forest, William & Mary and the like. </p>
<p>A typical American who has heard of those UK unis would perhaps view them exactly the way I described above. A clueless American would have a funny, stupid view. </p>
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I don’t understand these questions. Please elaborate…</p>
<p>If we take purely the domestic reputation of schools in the US and compare them to the purely domestic reputation of schools in the UK, is Warwick in the UK considered to be as prestigious as, or (potentially) academically rigorous, etc. as William & Mary would be in the US? The same question for Durham, Nottingham, etc. </p>
<p>Is that any more clear?</p>
<p>^ If Oxbridge = HYPSM, then Warwick would be something like Penn with Wharton Business School or Dartmouth or Brown. </p>
<p>Durham would be something like Chicago+Northwestern or Rice or Vanderbilt.</p>
<p>Notts would be Virginia or William & Mary, at best.</p>
<p>RML has basically nailed it. There is a distinction between Warwick/Durham/St Andrews and Nottingham in terms of general reputation in the UK, largely because Nottingham has been on the slide over the past few years. If you were to ask 10 people in the UK for their top 10 universities in the UK, Durham and Warwick would probably feature the majority of times, while Nottingham may only pop up once or twice.</p>
<p>In terms of how much the universities are targeted by major firms/prestige/reputation it usually goes like.</p>
<p>Tier 1:Oxford Cambridge
(reasonable gap)</p>
<p>Tier 2: LSE Imperial
(slight gap)</p>
<p>Tier 3a:Warwick UCL</p>
<p>Tier 3b: Durham, St Andrews, Bristol, Edinburgh</p>
<p>Nottingham would go in the next bracket, along with King’s, Bath, York, Manchester,etc.</p>
<p>In terms of global reputation you can’t really compare the US universities with the UK universities, but if we look at it domestically, the top 8 UK universities are generally perceieved to be.</p>
<p>Oxbridge = HYP
Imperial= MIT
LSE= Stanford
UCL= Columbia
Warwick= UPenn/Brown
Durham= Chicago
St Andrews= Rice/Northwestern.
Notts= Virgina/William& Mary.</p>
<p>This in in regards to DOMESTIC REPUTATION and PRESTIGE. The top 8 are seen as the elite UK universities along with possibly Bristol and Edinburgh.</p>
<p>You may find this article to be useful :</p>
<p>[Sunday</a> Times University Guide 2012 | Good University Ranking Guide](<a href=“http://whichuniversitybest.blogspot.com/2011/09/sunday-times-university-guide-2012.html]Sunday”>Sunday Times University Guide 2012 | Good University Ranking Guide)</p>
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<p>Imperial doesn’t even approach the top 10 in that source, so I’d approach it with caution.</p>
<p>Oxford and Cambridge are the only schools with significant prestige here. LSE also has good name recognition, and St. Andrews gets alot of Americans. I never head of Imperial or UCL until this board but they get noted from time to time. The other schools are mentioned less.</p>