<p>I have a hard decision to make between these two. </p>
<p>Both gave me a bit of $$, making the cost of attending almost the same.</p>
<p>Which should I pick?</p>
<p>I intend to major in either Econ or political science.
I live in Maryland. There is like 2 days left before May 1st.</p>
<p>What would you guys do?</p>
<p>bump.bump.</p>
<p>It’s my only opinion, but this is what I always thought. As you don’t state where exactly you got accepted, I’ll consider all cases.</p>
<p>UMich Econ (LSA) > NYU Econ (Arts and Science)</p>
<p>UMich Econ (Ross) >>>> NYU Econ (A&S)</p>
<p>Umich Econ (LSA) < NYU Econ (Stern)</p>
<p>Umich Econ (Ross) > NYU Econ (Stern)</p>
<p>^Sensation, I think you’re a little confused. Umich Econ (Ross)… NYU Econ (Stern)… ?</p>
<p>elan, your question is far too vague. There must be other factors in your decision. That said, since you are also considering political science, I would choose Michigan (all else equal).</p>
<p>Thanks guys.</p>
<p>Flip flop for a week now. I can’t decide.
I want to do business now. I wish I had applied for their business schools back then. But it sounds like Stern is almost impossible to transfer into, Ross…I will guess is about the same difficulty. Oh well. One day left before I make this selection. Most likely do Econo first than trying to get into business. So much factors so little time.</p>
<p>BTW, I am accepted to NYU CAS and Umich LSA not Stern or Ross.
<p>Right now as an OOS, Umich is actually more expensive (by about $30K over 4 years) than NYU because NYU gave me more aids.</p>
<p>I heard NYU will have more internships but UMich is a little more prestigious.
On the other hand, NYU doesn’t have a campus but sits in a big powerful city.</p>
<p>Any more thoughts to help guys?</p>
<p>First of all, most people enter Ross after their freshman year. It’s a three your program – unless you’re a preferred admit, you apply for sophomore entry during your second semester here. I feel like it’s much harder to get into Stern after one year because it’s a four year program.</p>
<p>1) They’re roughly equal if you want to do banking. Success will hinge on you – if you can’t get into banking from Stern, you probably won’t get in from Ross (and vice versa). </p>
<p>2) Grad school: I would assume Michigan, as we have more higher ranked departments. If your thinking MBA, however, it will depend more on your work experience than undergraduate degree.</p>
<p>3) I hear Stern (assuming you can even transfer in) is more competitive. Don’t know about their grade inflation though (Ross average is ~3.6).</p>
<p>If you want to study business/go into banking, it seems like you should pick Michigan at this point simply because, above all, you have a much higher chance of getting into Ross than Stern after one year.</p>
<p>Employment records tip my decision balance:</p>
<p>Last year, NYU econ 98% graduate found jobs before/at graduation vs Michigan Econ 89% (actually 66% found jobs, 22% went to grad schools). Stern 100% don’t know about Ross.
Data available from each school’s career center. </p>
<p>I like UMich but have decided to go to NYU econ. Thanks everyone.</p>
<p>Best of luck at NYU.</p>
<p>Hope you can manage getting noticed by banking recruiters since you won’t be in Stern – best of luck.</p>
<p>Yea, I was also thinking that the more competitive students interested in Econ would be at Ross for Michigan, so just looking at general Econ majors really skews the stats downward.</p>
<p>Yeah, I feel Ross gives you like two chances: One as pre-admit (takes 105), then transfer (admits another 305). Last year only, 700 applied for Ross transfer 300 got in. I have a feeling that they snap a lot of the competitive kids out of LSA interested in business, lol. Well if i can make it into Ross that’s great, but then again I can become one of the renaming 400+ kids.</p>
<p>NYU doesn’t allow you to even apply for 2 schools as freshman, you pick either CAS or Stern. Also later it does not encourage transfer to Stern (hate that!). Thus Stern doesn’t get too many bright kids from CAS econ, lol. Every year there are only tens students apply for transfer to Stern from CAS, not hundreds. I like to get transferred. But if not, I don’t feel so much like in a support school for the B-school. </p>
<p>The class size also makes a difference:
UMich econ class: 1050 vs Ross 410
NYU econ class: 370 vs Stern 550</p>
<p>Too big of a clss can make job opportunity % drop.</p>
<p>Lastly, when I called yesterday, UMich told me that I cannot take Ross courses but Ross can take econ courses. That, if true, hurts. NYU Econ kids can and must take Stern courses, and they can even minor in Finance (by Stern).</p>
<p>That is all I found yesterday before mailing the $800 deposit. What a busy day it was!</p>
<p>I made a mistake of not applying for Ross pre-admit. At this point, I can only analyze based on what I got: Econ major, and do some risk analysis. </p>
<p>Thanks again for everyone’s opinions. Hope these discussions also help future readers.</p>
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<p>Blatantly false. You can take up to 20 credits in Ross = 6+ classes as non-BBA.</p>
<p>I question whether your chances of transferring into Stern are higher than what your chances of transferring into Ross could have been.</p>
<p>Elan, a lot of your numbers seem incorrect. Michigan’s Econ class is nowhere near 1,000. It is in fact always under 400. NYU’s Economics class, as UVa’s, Harvard’s and Penn’s, are no smaller. </p>
<p>And Ross’ class usually has fewer than 350 students, not 410, making Ross significantly smaller than Stern.</p>
<p><a href=“Office of Budget and Planning”>Office of Budget and Planning;
<p>Furthermore, I am very surprised at NYU’s Econ placement stats. I never heard of a university with a 98% professional placement for Econ majors at graduation. That would have Harvard, MIT and and Princeton beat. Even 89% (as you claim for Michigan) seems high in this Economic climate. Perhaps those are based solely on a report of self-reported repondants, leaving out a large section of students who do not respond.</p>
<p>^^^I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps those numbers were for those who have finished graduate school? For example, I know the School of Social Work at Michigan has a professional placement of well into the upper nineties.</p>
<p>I’ve always been amazed at the stats some schools put out and, what seems to me, the kind of lack of respect that Michigan gets here on CC. When my son was choosing between Wash U and Michigan Honors, he really studied the two programs and tried to figure out various stats and “success rates” for premed students. The stats were all over the place (personally, I feel like Wash U totally overstates their stats and Michigan is so big and diverse that it’s hard to compare) and eventually, you just have to go with your gut feeling. You can succeed anywhere as long as you work hard, and where do you want to spend 4 years?</p>
<p>Ginger, private universities can manipulate data in a way that public universities cannot because the former are not audited by the state and federal government as the latter are. Also, many students at private universities who wish to apply to medical school are strongly discouraged from doing so if their GPA/MCATs are not strong enough. Public universities will encourage all students who wish to apply to medical school. As such, roughly have the students who apply to medical school from Michigan have sub-par grades and scores compared to 20% or 25% at private universities. That explains why Michigan’s medical school placement rate is 55% whereas many private universities claim placement rates of80% or higher. However, if you compare placement rates ofstudents with comparable grades and scores, you will see very little difference in placement rates between top publics and top privates.</p>
<p>"Furthermore, I am very surprised at NYU’s Econ placement stats. I never heard of a university with a 98% professional placement for Econ majors at graduation. That would have Harvard, MIT and and Princeton beat. Even 89% (as you claim for Michigan) seems high in this Economic climate. Perhaps those are based solely on a report of self-reported repondants, leaving out a large section of students who do not respond. "</p>
<p>Here are the NYU job data and Salary. Don’t know how/if they “played” with the data. Please comment/critique them.</p>
<p>All NYU schools for 2009:
[Center</a> for Career Development](<a href=“Career Development and Jobs”>Career Development and Jobs)</p>
<p>All NYU schools for 2008:
[Center</a> for Career Development](<a href=“Career Development and Jobs”>Career Development and Jobs)</p>
<p>NYU class of 2007:
[Center</a> for Career Development](<a href=“Career Development and Jobs”>Career Development and Jobs)</p>
<p>NYU class of 2006 Analysis:
[Center</a> for Career Development](<a href=“Career Development and Jobs”>Career Development and Jobs)</p>
<p>This thread is pretty pointless now, the OP made her (?) choice we should just move on. Although I do agree with Alexandre with his explanation regarding the disparity of stats.</p>
<p>Elan, as I suspected, those figures are based on a percentage that responded to NYU’s survey. If I read correctly, only 1,600 undergrads responded to the survey. For a school with over 20,000 undergrads, that represents a small percentage. I realize that the survey claims a 75% response rate, but that would mean that only 2,100 undergraduate students graduated. If that is truly the case, NYU’s graduation rate is under 50%, which is not the case. Those figures seem strange to me. But either way, 90% placement (which is what NYU claims) is standard for such surveys, since students who chose to respond have usually been placed somewhere.</p>