UMich Ross vs. Ivies

<p>How does the University of Michigan's undergraduate Ross school of business stack up against Ivy league schools in terms of placing people in IB internships and jobs.</p>

<p>UMich Ross stacks up well with Cornell and Brown. The remaining Ivies along with Stanford, MIT, Northwestern and Duke are slightly stronger targets for Ibanks IMO.</p>

<p>When you say Northwestern and Duke do you mean their economics programs?</p>

<p>ring<em>of</em>fire's list is pretty spot on, though i'd say ross is equal to northwestern and better than brown. Also, where you want to end up plays some role too: cornell will be equal to maybe even a (very ) slight edge for NY, but for chicago offices ross (and northwestern) will place you much better.</p>

<p>I'd probably say every ivy except cornell and brown provides better recruiting ops though.</p>

<p>IDK what UMICH is smoking up there in ann arbor but Northwestern dominates Chicago scene and clearly places better in NYC about level at mid ivies + Duke</p>

<p>that being said. if you are at Umich all the doors are open to you. you will get plenty of job offers if you to Umich and perform well so dont worry abt it.</p>

<p>and no one cares about what "program" you are in unless it is highly segregated like ross vs mich. northwestern econ vs english vs northwestern engineering its all good.</p>

<p>haha, i think we're both just going to be a bit biased here</p>

<p>it depends on the bank, but from what i've noticed, in terms of overall numbers, the chicago scene goes something like NU>michigan ...gap...>notre dame > uchicago. Ross and Northwestern both place pretty well in nyc (on par with lower ivies but maybe not as good as duke).</p>

<p>but really, in terms of getting a job, all of these places are going to give you the opportunities you need if you are good. pick whichever one you feel fits you best - these sorts of arguments are stupid.</p>

<p>If one does not get into any of the top business schools, then is doing any top liberal arts school in the freshmen year and then transfer to a business school possible?</p>

<p>I’ll weigh in as an employer. Neither Ross or NU places as well at the firm I long worked for as ivies. It’s mostly because they don’t have big Networks on The Street and let’s face it, neither is as hard to get into as any ivy.</p>

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Northwestern’s average SAT is quite a bit higher than Cornell’s though Cornell has lower admit rate. The difference in admission difficulty is therefore negligible. Get your facts straight before making any bold claim.</p>

<p>“Northwestern’s average SAT is quite a bit higher than Cornell’s though Cornell has lower admit rate.”</p>

<p>Get off of Cornell’s case. You are comparing apples to oranges. SAT range for Cornell A&S is just as high if not higher compared to NU or UChicago.</p>

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<p>That could be the case, but WS generally isn’t hiring from the ag school, so when you just look at the schools of interest…</p>

<p>NU has specialty schools like communications, journalism (lower math), education, and music schools too. The difference is we rarely use that as an excuse. I bet Ross students have higher SAT than Michigan’s average. </p>

<p>I actually forgot to say NU’s SAT average is about the same as Penn’s and Brown’s. Don’t mean to just pick on Cornell.</p>

<p>Also, NU students have won as many, if not more, prestigious scholarships like Fulbrights and Cambrige Gates …etc, compared to the Ivies in recent years. It’s another indication, along with SAT scores, that the students are of the similar caliber. So hmom5, it’s fine if you say its network isn’t as strong in NYC but you are wrong in further suggesting NU students are of lower caliber.</p>

<p>You’re right, I can only say that it’s much easier to get into NU than any ivy save Cornell’s state programs from the 3 high schools my kids attended. And I can tell you my firm perceives it as an easier admit. But hey, the rest of the world could see it differently.</p>

<p>hmom5,</p>

<p>“much easier”? “3 high schools my kids attended”? yea, maybe next thing we know, you’ll write “10 high schools my grandkids attended”. you have a reputation.</p>

<p>Sam, you can (and clearly do) believe whatever you want.</p>

<p>^it’s not so much about what i believe. it’s about your integrity.</p>

<p>Integrity???</p>

<p>a while ago, when i wrote on one of the threads, “there’s this person on CC that said… and she sounded like she knew it all…”, couple posters then asked if that’s you. i didn’t intended to single out any screen name but that’s when i realize your reputation.</p>

<p>whenever you make controversial claims, you never provide any name, source, data, or statistics. when people questioned you, you’d say something like “i worked on WS for 3 decades…” etc. so what are the 3 high schools? what was your firm?</p>

<p>D had an internship the past two summers at BB’s in NYC. One was back office (1st summer) and one front (this summer). At the end of this past summer she was extended an offer. (front)</p>

<p>They gave the summer analyst a list of the interns and their schools. Although this is anecdotal, it supports everything hmom has said. </p>

<p>Actually my D’s experience may be other than an anecdotal experience, because it was 2 summers, two companies and two lists that are comprised of more than just their desks. And it still, like it or not, supports what hmom says.</p>

<p>You would be surprised at students attending schools at certain elite colleges vs others that did NOT get offers.</p>

<p>what do you mean by “everything hmom has said”? i understand you have a child at Cornell but please be fair here. hmom said more than just IB recruiting and even in that, she said something like Michigan/NU being “non-targets” before (not on this thread). i can show you links/lists that suggest otherwise (not as well-recruited as certain Ivies but still semi-targets in NYC).</p>