<p>Berkeley's garbage...hippie fever...westwood is perfect UCLA da best</p>
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For humanities like English, History, Philosophy, Political Science, and the like, I'd say UVa has them both beat, though.</p>
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<p>Jesus Christ. It's a personal opinion. I'd rather study history in a place that's part of it, or polisci at a place a short drive from DC, as opposed to a place thousands of miles away. Relax, accept the fact that Berkeley may not be the best school in America at everything. Isn't that all rankings are, somebody's personal opinion? That's why they always stay the same, because opinions are always predicated on the opinions of people who came before you. You act like Berkeley is the gold standard of education and UVa is a community college. Well, I don't care what USNews has to say about it, I would attend UVa any day over Berkeley.</p>
<p>^^^^ U would. Probably bc you're a big old republican, yes the liberal truth does hurt especially when youve been suffocated by red state propaganda your whole life. UVA will be behind UCLA in two years, behind UCSD in ten the UC's will have all 3 spots pretty soon. Berkeley is a top 5 university in the world, they got some elements named after them, they created the atom bomb...This is how we roll in cali UCB does the hard work and research, UCLA parties and keeps up the beautiful image, not sure what UCSD is doing but its working</p>
<p>Wow, that was...immature. Actually I'm a democrat, quite liberal, believe in gay marriage, a woman's right to choose, affirmative action, and most of the rest of it. </p>
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UVA will be behind UCLA in two years, behind UCSD in ten the UC's will have all 3 spots pretty soon.
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<p>This is not based on ANYTHING. And you forgot UMich and UNC. No school will drop 10 spots, it just doesn't happen. Rankings hardly ever change that much, especially not for a major public university. UVa has increased its funding over the past few years and remains one of the top destinations for the East Coast's brightest students. There is no reason to think it's dropping anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised to see it shift around with UCLA, UMich, and UNC, just because USNWR has to move them around in order to sell magazines. I wouldn't be surprised to see it 2 spots behind UCLA this year, and 2 spots ahead of it next year, because the rankings are BS and the different between 2 spots is NONEXISTENT.</p>
<p>PS. You're the reason the democrats can't get elected anywhere--the way you preach tolerance but act like jackass to anyone whose beliefs are different than yours. "We should tolerate all races, sexual orientations, and socioecomonic statuses, but f*** those Republicans!"</p>
<p>Berkeley whithout a dout</p>
<p>sorry honey just assumed south carolina meant d bag my bad, u remember what they did to mccain in 2000 presidential primaries that was bad</p>
<p>alice8889, the fact of the matter is that Berkeley's humanities, especially English and History, have been recognized by almost every ranking I have ever seen as the best in the world for about the last fifty years.</p>
<p>"Berkeley whithout a dout"</p>
<p>Berkeley's great in physics, chemistry, philosophy, math, English, foreign languages, history, poli sci, sociology, psychology, engineering, business, and biology. Spelling? Not so good....</p>
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"We should tolerate all races, sexual orientations, and socioecomonic statuses, but f*** those Republicans!"
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<p>yes, because many of them (republicans) are NOT tolerant... and they try to impose their intolerant beliefs on others through the legal system and other means.</p>
<p>just live and let live. believe something? fine... believe in it. Just don't impose those beliefs on others.</p>
<p>Uhm, how about liberal activist judges that push a tollerance agenda and toss the constitution to the wind? Yeah, the ones who let child rapists walk, ignoring their own states constitution about punishment being obligatory for such crimes. How about the democrats that shield them from disciplinary action, again and again? How many people in that camp do you think are card carryng members of the Republican party? Care to debate me on this, bring it on, I have tons of factual examples, unlike liberals who usually spin arguments to the emotional side in order to throw logic out the window. </p>
<p>To the original poster, I would say that in my opinion, Michigan would be a better school.However, if you are worried about "academics", in reality, I doubt there is 1 ioata of difference between the amount or quality of what an undergrad learns at either school, or for that matter, any major university.</p>
<p>This really shouldn't be the debate, Berkeley takes UM, a real debate is UM vs. UCLA. Anyone agree?</p>
<p>Berkeley ranks first nationally in the number of graduate programs in the top 10 in their fields.
(97% of Berkeley's programs made the top 10 list.)
National Research Council
Berkeley ranks first nationally in the number of "distinguished" programs for the scholarship of the faculty [32 programs]
This is on their website <a href="http://www.berkeley.edu%5B/url%5D">www.berkeley.edu</a></p>
<p>As for Michigan: In one recent rankings summary, more than 70% of UM's 200major programs, departments, and schools were ranked in the top 10 nationally, and more than 90% of programs and departments were ranked in the top 20 nationally.
UCLA: Of the 36 Ph.D. programs examined by the National Research Council in 1995 [11], UCLA had 31 ranked in the top 20 in terms of overall academic quality, third best in the United States. Fifteen departments were ranked in the top 10:</p>
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Uhm, how about liberal activist judges that push a tollerance agenda and toss the constitution to the wind? Yeah, the ones who let child rapists walk, ignoring their own states constitution about punishment being obligatory for such crimes. How about the democrats that shield them from disciplinary action, again and again? How many people in that camp do you think are card carryng members of the Republican party? Care to debate me on this, bring it on, I have tons of factual examples, unlike liberals who usually spin arguments to the emotional side in order to throw logic out the window.
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<p>^^^ ughhh, another spin doctor “created” from the republican toilet :rolleyes:</p>
<p>OP: Berkeley all the way</p>
<p>Debating politics would be fun, but not in this thread. </p>
<p>UCLA "vs." UM is more interesting I believe. Although I can't say much about either school.</p>
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Uhm, how about liberal activist judges that push a tollerance agenda and toss the constitution to the wind? Yeah, the ones who let child rapists walk, ignoring their own states constitution about punishment being obligatory for such crimes. How about the democrats that shield them from disciplinary action, again and again? How many people in that camp do you think are card carryng members of the Republican party? Care to debate me on this, bring it on, I have tons of factual examples, unlike liberals who usually spin arguments to the emotional side in order to throw logic out the window.
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<p>factual examples? you just listed some random, and potentially made up circumstance about some asshat judge who's apparently liberal...</p>
<p>I'm not gonna sit here and give stupid examples about how "Oh but what about that liberal bastard who XXXXXXX" "Oh yea? but what about that twisted republican who XXXXXXX"</p>
<p>and on and on and on... for every worthless sack of **** liberal you give me... I'll give you a equally ****ty republican.</p>
<p>we're talking about basic values and princples of both sides here... specifically tolerance.</p>
<p>My point stands</p>
<p>Basically the bottom line is Republicans are practical and Democrats are thoughtful, in almost every issue except abortion, which in my opinion is a strange debate because it seems the Republican agenda would be all for controlling the population and reducing the number of poor people and such, while the Democrats would be the ones crying out, "OMG WHAT ABOUT THE POOR BABIES?!?!?!" I don't get that one.</p>
<p>But in most cases, Republicans think in terms of practicality and realism and Democrats think in terms of actual people and their individual lives. For example, Republicans emphasize the fact that illegal immigration is in most ways terrible for America. It makes us vulnerable as a nation and puts a HUGE strain on our hospitals and education systems. However, Democrats ignore those problems because they see how much immigration improves the lives of the immigrants. They want to help and feel that any strain is worth it to save the lives of even a few non-American citizens who are living in terrible poverty. Forgive the generalities, it's just something I've observed. Democrats in some ways have difficulty seeing the forest for the trees, while Republicans in some ways are very selfish and don't place much value on the individual's life.</p>
<p>There's a saying: "If you're under 30 and a Republican, you have no heart. If you're over 30 and a Democrat, you have no brain."</p>
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Berkeley ranks first nationally in the number of graduate programs in the top 10 in their fields.
(97% of Berkeley's programs made the top 10 list.)
National Research Council
Berkeley ranks first nationally in the number of "distinguished" programs for the scholarship of the faculty [32 programs]
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<p>You are citing graduate programs. I believe we are concerned with the undergraduate program.</p>
<p>And enough with the politics. The OP didn't start this thread to hear you whine about whichever party you don't like. Start another thread in another forum or PM if you really want to keep arguing.</p>
<p>Holey cow, a liberal who is a fan of
Berkeley, where concervative ideas are spat upon and supressed....shocking!</p>
<p>You know who graduated from Michigan? That's right. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Back to my statement about overall coast of attending Cal vs Michigan. Both schools cost roughly $40,000/academic year for out of staters when you factor in tuition, room and board and other costs. </p>