<p>Which school will give me a better chance of getting into a top 10 law school?</p>
<p>I'm looking to major in either Political Science, psychology, international relations, or history or sociology. Which school has the stronger departments?
Thanks</p>
<p>Your chances of getting into a top 10 law school will vary on some consideration other than whether you choose to go to Emory or U-M. They are both good schools and are strong in the areas that you look to major in.</p>
<p>“Which school will give me a better chance of getting into a top 10 law school?”</p>
<p>I think both schools are excellent in this department. I don’t think law school admissions differentiate between elite universities, and both universities are considered elite. The only exceptions will be Michigan and Emory law schools, which will significantly favor their own. Obviously, Michigan has a top 10 Law school while Emory does not. Otherwise, I would go with the cheaper option. If money is not a concern, just go with fit.</p>
<p>“I’m looking to major in either Political Science, psychology, international relations, or history or sociology. Which school has the stronger departments?”</p>
<p>HISTORY
Michigan #6
Emory #28</p>
<p>POLITICAL SCIENCE
Michigan #4
Emory #28</p>
<p>PSYCHOLOGY
Michigan #3
Emory #36</p>
<p>SOCIOLOGY
Michigan #3
Emory unranked</p>
<p>I believe that Emory’s location in Georgia and its smaller, more focused class size will ultimately take your farther in your pursuit to become a lawyer. A pre-law degree requires discipline and teachings from an experienced lawyer, Emory for me.</p>
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<p>This is some of the dumbest advice I have heard.</p>
<p>Michigan has stronger departments across the broad spectrum of academics then all but a few universities. Emory is not among them. I’m not even sure if the student body at Emory is stronger academically than Michigan, now that they have been exposed lying about the average testing scores of entering freshmen:</p>
<p><a href=“http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/emory-rankings/[/url]”>http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/emory-rankings/</a></p>
<p>No school will get you into a top 10 law school; YOU GET YOURSELF into a top 10 law school based on your GPA/LSATs. Go to whichever school you like more and makes the most financial sense. Emory will be more highly regarded in the East Coast while Michigan will have a stronger reputation in the Midwest from what I’ve seen.</p>
<p>goldenboy is right about the scores of course. However if you do well at Michigan, you’ll have a much better chance of getting into the top ten law school in Ann Arbor. That is the biggest advantage of going to Michigan over Emory in my opinion.</p>
<p>In the Southeast, Emory has the edge, but in the Northeast, Michigan has a stronger reputation. In NYC in particular, Michigan will trump Emory reputationally. Not that it matters since universities do not have regional bias. Academe is a pretty small world, and Michigan and Emory both have national reputations. Applicants from Emory and Michigan will be given equal consideration. All that matters will be GPA, LSAT and personal statements. </p>
<p>In terms of actual statistics, both Michigan and Emory have pretty detailed numbers for law school applicants. </p>
<p>In 2011, 366 Emory students applied to Law school, compared to 864 Michigan students. In other words, Michigan has 2.4 times more law school applicants than Emory. </p>
<p>Here’s how applicants from both universities performed with top Law schools:</p>
<p>Berkeley Law:
Emory 37 applied, 5 admitted (14%), 1 matriculated
Michigan 153 applied, 16 admitted (10%), 2 matriculated</p>
<p>Chicago Law:
Emory 32 applied, 7 admitted (22%), 1 matriculated
Michigan 135 applied, 23 admitted (17%), 8 matriculated</p>
<p>Columbia Law:
Emory 49 applied, 12 admitted (25%), 3 matriculated
Michigan 156 applied, 22 admitted (14%), 8 matriculated</p>
<p>Cornell Law:
Emory 38 applied, 8 admitted (21%), 2 matriculated
Michigan 120 applied, 26 admitted (22%), 3 matriculated</p>
<p>Duke Law:
Emory 43 applied, 11 admitted (25%), 4 matriculated
Michigan 143 applied, 24 admitted (17%), 5 matriculated</p>
<p>Georgetown Law:
Emory 69 applied, 17 admitted (25%), 2 matriculated
Michigan 209 applied, 40 admitted (19%), 5 matriculated</p>
<p>Harvard Law:
Emory 37 applied, 5 admitted (14%), 2 matriculated
Michigan 105 applied, 14 admitted (13%), 9 matriculated</p>
<p>Michigan Law:
Emory 34 applied, 10 admitted (29%), 3 enrolled
Michigan 380 applied, 75 admitted (20%), 45 matriculated</p>
<p>NYU Law:
Emory 39 applied, 11 admitted (28%), 4 matriculated
Michigan 162 applied, 41 admitted (25%), 13 matriculated</p>
<p>Northwestern Law:
Emory 27 applied, 7 admitted (26%), 1 matriculated
Michigan 105 applied, 17 admitted (16%), 4 matriculated</p>
<p>Penn Law:
Emory 39 applied, 9 admitted (23%), 3 matriculated
Michigan 115 applied, 19 admitted (16%), 5 matriculated</p>
<p>Stanford Law:
Emory 19 applied, 4 admitted (21%), 2 matriculated
Michigan 60 applied, 6 admitted (10%), 1 matriculated</p>
<p>UVa Law:
Emory 53 applied, 4 admitted (8%), 1 matriculated
Michigan 156 applied, 11 admitted (7%), 3 matriculated</p>
<p>Yale Law:
Emory 21 applied, 3 admitted (14%), 1 matrculated
Michigan 50 applied, 2 admitted (4%), 1 matriculated</p>
<p>TOTAL
Emory 30 (8% of Emory law-bound alums) matriculated into T14 Law Schools
Michigan 112 (13% of Michigan law-bound alums) matriculated into T14 Law Schools</p>
<p>Proportionately, the two universities have very similar final outcomes. The only reason Michigan does a little better (13% vs 8% placement into T14 law schools) is because, as several of us have said, Michigan students have an advantage when it comes to Michigan law school. </p>
<p>Like we all said, neither school has the advantage overall. Go for whatever school is cheaper…and if cost is not an issue, go for fit. </p>
<p>[Statistics:</a> UM Undergraduate](<a href=“http://www.lsa.umich.edu/advising/academicplanning/prelaw/statisticsumundergraduate/top20lawschoolsbyapplicationvolumeumgraduates8212fall2010_ci]Statistics:”>http://www.lsa.umich.edu/advising/academicplanning/prelaw/statisticsumundergraduate/top20lawschoolsbyapplicationvolumeumgraduates8212fall2010_ci)</p>
<p>[Statistics:</a> UM Undergraduate](<a href=“http://www.lsa.umich.edu/advising/academicplanning/prelaw/statisticsumundergraduate/lawschoolsbypercentageofadmittedfall2010_ci]Statistics:”>http://www.lsa.umich.edu/advising/academicplanning/prelaw/statisticsumundergraduate/lawschoolsbypercentageofadmittedfall2010_ci)</p>
<p>[Statistics:</a> UM Undergraduate](<a href=“http://www.lsa.umich.edu/advising/academicplanning/prelaw/statisticsumundergraduate/lawschools50umapplicantsbyattendedtotalattended2010_ci]Statistics:”>http://www.lsa.umich.edu/advising/academicplanning/prelaw/statisticsumundergraduate/lawschools50umapplicantsbyattendedtotalattended2010_ci)</p>
<p><a href=“http://staging.web.emory.edu/clcc/images/Law_pdf_files/11_Pre_Law_Synopsis[/url]”>http://staging.web.emory.edu/clcc/images/Law_pdf_files/11_Pre_Law_Synopsis</a></p>
<p>Thank you guys so much for your advice.
Alexandre thank you so much for taking the time to compile all of these stats.</p>
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I think you’re jumping to a few illogical conclusions here Alexandre. First off, not everyone who applies to law school actually attends so the denominator here should be total number of students who matriculated to law school and not the total law school applicants. Neither school’s reported statistics tell us exactly how many seniors/alums actually matriculated into a law school (you could add up the “Matriculated” figure for Emory’s entire score report but that would be tedious). At any rate, Michigan has a higher placement rate into T14 law schools since a greater percentage actually apply to these schools vs. Emory even when you adjust for the difference in the size of the pre-law
population.</p>
<p>This phenomenon can be illustrated by the fact that Emory seniors/alums seem to have a higher acceptance rate to almost every T-14 Law School except Cornell. The ones who do apply to top law schools from Emory do exceedingly well and perform at least on par with UMich alum applicants at Michigan Law as seen by their higher acceptance rate. It would be ridiculous to argue that Michigan undergraduates are favored by its law school since its clear that it has more graduates in its own law school just due to the fact that a lot more Wolverines apply there proportionally speaking compared to Emory. Lets look at average GPA and LSAT of accepted students from both schools to Michigan Law:</p>
<p>Emory Matriculants to Mich Law Average
LSAT: 167.1
GPA: 3.78</p>
<p>Michigan Matriculants to Mich Law Average
LSAT: 169
GPA: 3.74</p>
<p>In fact, Emory students are able to score below median for Michigan Law but UMich alums seem to be held to a higher standard having to at least meet the median LSAT number to garner an acceptance. Looking at average GPA and LSATs of accepted students to these law schools are the only fair way to analyze how schools perform vis-a-vis each other.</p>
<p>I"ll post average GPA and LSAT scores from both undergraduate institutions to the T-14 law schools later when I get a chance.</p>
<p>“Which school will give me a better chance of getting into a top 10 law school?”</p>
<p>“Like we all said, neither school has the advantage overall. Go for whatever school is cheaper…and if cost is not an issue, go for fit.”</p>
<p>You have your answer Matisyahu.</p>
<p>I think you are reading too much into it goldenboy. In some instances (Stanford and Yale for example), Emory does not have a sample size large enough for statistical significance. Overall, it is pretty clear that both universities do well when placing their students into T14 law schools. If Emory has a higher admission rate to several Law schools, it is likely because Emory discourages applicants from applying to law schools that are considered out of reach. Michigan cannot do that. But if you look at the stats of admitted students into the top law schools, it is clear that T14 Law schools have similar standards for Michigan and Emory.</p>
<p>With regards to Michigan law admissions stats, the question you need to ask yourself is how many more Emory students would Michigan be willing to admit if more applied? There is no ceilling for Michigan applicants, but I can assure you there is one for Emory applicants. Only two years ago, Michigan admitted close to 100 Michigan applicants. </p>
<p>Anyway, looking at the stats of admitted applicants, Emory and Michigan are very similar:</p>
<p>BERKELEY LAW:
Emory 3.89 GPA, 170 LSAT
Michigan 3.85 GPA, 169 LSAT</p>
<p>CHICAGO LAW:
Emory 3.93 GPA, 173 LSAT
Michigan 3.75 GPA, 171 LSAT</p>
<p>COLUMBIA LAW:
Emory 3.82 GPA, 172 LSAT
Michigan 3.77 GPA, 173 LSAT</p>
<p>CORNELL LAW
Emory 3.76 GPA, 167 LSAT
Michigan 3.75 GPA, 167 LSAT</p>
<p>DUKE LAW:
Emory 3.76 GPA, 171 LSAT
Michigan 3.78 GPA, 170 LSAT</p>
<p>GEORGETOWN LAW:
Emory 3.76 GPA, 170 LSAT
Michigan 3.76 GPA, 171 LSAT</p>
<p>HARVARD LAW:
Emory 3.93 GPA, 174 LSAT
Michigan 3.93 LSA, 172 LSAT</p>
<p>MICHIGAN LAW:
Emory 3.78 GPA, 167 LSAT
Michigan 3.74 GPA, 169 LSAT</p>
<p>NYU LAW:
Emory 3.79 GPA, 171 LSAT
Michigan 3.78 GPA, 172 LSAT</p>
<p>NORTHWESTERN LAW:
Emory 3.79 GPA, 171 LSAT
Michigan 3.75 GPA, 169 LSAT</p>
<p>PENN LAW:
Emory 3.80 GPA, 170 LSAT
Michigan 3.84 GPA, 170 LSAT</p>
<p>STANFORD LAW:
Emory no data
Michigan 3.99 GPA, 173 LSAT</p>
<p>UVa LAW:
Emory no data
Michigan 3.71 GPA, 170 LSAT</p>
<p>Yale LAW:
Emory no data
Michigan no data</p>
<p>@Alexandre are those the average GPA AND LSAT for acceptances?</p>
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I definitely agree with the first point but do you mind elaborating on the second? As far as I know, schools cannot prevent students from applying to any law schools. Of course, if an Emory or a Michigan pre-law student were to go to the Advising office and ask for help, the advisors would probably discourage the student from applying to a law school that is well out of reach. I’m not sure why that would differ between Emory and Michigan.</p>
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There’s no quotas that law schools have for different undergarduate institutions Alexandre; its strictly a numbers game. For instance, I know about 15 or so students from colleges who were admitted to Michigan Law but only 4 of them attended. The rest chose an assortment of other T14 Law Schools and nice scholarships to Top 25 Law Schools attended. If hypothetically every Duke students who was admitted there had attended Michigan Law, there would be dozens represented there. Of course, this wouldn’t happen since most students who are smart enough to get into Michigan Law have other juicy options as well.</p>
<p>I wish other schools released detailed law school statistics like Emory and Michigan.</p>
<p>There ya go goldenboy</p>
<p>UVa
<a href=“http://www.career.virginia.edu/students/preprof/prelaw/lawstats_2009.pdf[/url]”>http://www.career.virginia.edu/students/preprof/prelaw/lawstats_2009.pdf</a></p>
<p>Georgetown (a little dated)
[Law</a> School Admission Statistics for Georgetown Students (2007/2006)](<a href=“Cawley Career Education Center | Georgetown University”>Cawley Career Education Center | Georgetown University)</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins
<a href=“Pre-Professional Advising | Student Affairs”>Pre-Professional Advising | Student Affairs;
<p>Stanford
<a href=“http://www.stanford.edu/group/SPLS/content/0809lawdata.pdf[/url]”>http://www.stanford.edu/group/SPLS/content/0809lawdata.pdf</a></p>
<p>Yale
<a href=“http://ucs.yalecollege.yale.edu/sites/default/files/Law_School_Application_Statistics.pdf[/url]”>http://ucs.yalecollege.yale.edu/sites/default/files/Law_School_Application_Statistics.pdf</a></p>
<p>Yada Yada Yada</p>
<p>My husband and I are Emory grads and my son is a freshman at Michigan. He would not even apply to Emory as he felt Michigan is the complete college experience. Eg. School spirit and sports. My husband went to law schol and now is a partner in a top NY firm. He is also on their hiring committee. His firm does not even go to Emory to interview law students but does go to Michigan. He loves the students he meets who went to Michigan and is always amazed by how much they love their school. A lot of the associates and partners attended Michigan undergrad and feel they had the best education to prepare them for law school.</p>
<p>Obviously Goldenmom and goldenboy are not related. LOL</p>
<p>Lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooo ^</p>