<p>Oh, on a side note, you remind me of my friends from UCLA when they talk about USC. :)</p>
<p>I’m from the East Coast. We are born with attitude. Midwest nice makes me puke. I’m not trying to make UW any better. It already is better. Always was. Will always be. I know all about UM and it’s plan to become a top research university and all that. It’s nice to have goals. Like catching Wisconsin. I am quite sure that is their #1 goal. But you can’t manufacture 170 years of tradition over night. I hardly bashed Minny. I just pointed out actual differences supported by many others. UW is better, it has more school spirit and it’s in one of the best college towns that appears on every list of best college towns. Those are facts. It’s also a fact that Uminn is spending tons of money to try to become Wisconsin by attracting OOS students with cash money and mass mailing, etc. That’s why they lowered OOS tuition so much–to make it known to more Coasties and spread the brand. It’s marketing 101.</p>
<p>I have difficulty respecting anyone who generalizes about the behaviors and feelings of over 50,000 people.</p>
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<p>get over urself punk @$$</p>
<p>Barrons, I happen to agree that Wisconsin is probably a better school overall then Minnesota. My son has applied to both. The thing is, you write such crap and you insult kids!! Who does that but a loser who has nothing better to do with his time. I truly cannot believe you have a job let alone a six figure job. People with jobs and a life don’t spend countless hours on a site like this commenting on various schools and insulting kids. I’m a 44 year old man who has two HS seniors starting college next year. I have lots of reason to be here and still couldn’t possibly be on here and responding to so many threads as you. Please spare me the six figure job crap. Get yourself a life and leave the kids here alone. You are a loser pal, and it’ has nothing to do with Wisconsin being better then Minnesota. Giving more facts, figures and numbers isn’t going to get you a life. It’s going to prove you don’t have one.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, and Midwest nice?? Please let me meet you one day and I will show you how nice people from Chicago are. Please…</p>
<p>Here’s my opinion as a current Wisconsin School of Business junior. I’ve lived in enough places in the US so as not to have a bias, including 4 years in CA, 8 in Minnesota, and 4 in upstate New York. In addition, my dad did his MBA at Carlson, so I know how good the school is.</p>
<p>I never even applied to UM, instead only choosing a few highly-ranked schools in the west, midwest and east coast. I was a good enough student that I was shooting for top 20 schools and using UW as a safety, as the business school had a high rank for a lot of concentrations that I liked, and I knew about Madison’s academic reputation.</p>
<p>In the end, I chose UW over an Ivy and USC Marshall, with no guarantee that I would get into the business school here. However, I had Minnesota tuition, and I was willing to give it a gamble. It ended up well, as I’m enjoying double majoring in Marketing and Economics, which are 7th and 11th for their programs, respectively, as well as pursuing a certificate in healthcare management, which is unique to the WSOB. I like my professors and find the courses rigorous and interesting, and I just accepted an offer from a large Chicago-based consulting firm doing healthcare analysis.</p>
<p>That being said, Carlson is great too. A few of my friends love it there. However, in terms of good job placement, Wisconsin’s career services are extremely helpful. There’s always a career fair or a visiting company such as Altria willing to exchange contacts and conduct mock interviews. In addition, outside of the business school, our other majors are higher ranked than UM’s on average. Econ is actually great at both schools, but Wisconsin does carry higher prestige in other areas of the country.</p>
<p>Looking at facts, this is why I chose UW for my education. But that doesn’t mean UM or Carlson is crap; it’s just not as good. I also moved back to the midwest because I am a firm proponent of Minnesota/Wisconsin nice. It’s nice to know that not everyone is trying to one-up me at every point, and it fosters a collaborative culture that encourages mutual learning and builds efforts into more than the sum of their parts. I rather disliked my east coast high school…too catty.</p>
<p>Now that is juvenile. At least recognize the facts as they are. Don’t pull them out of your a$$. Another little quip from a Hawkeye Fan</p>
<p>“.With the move from Metrodome, Hawkeye football has new, outdoor digs. Though smaller than Metrodome, Kinnick North has ample seating for fans traveling from all over Iowa as well as Hawkeye followers living in the Twin Cities area. The stadium features a unique “open-ended” bowl shape. This cutting-edge design allows for quick exit by Gopher fans during embarrassing blowouts, and provides generous clearance for spontaneous goal post removal…an added courtesy for “visiting” fans. The prime location features a return to the college campus, as Minnesota strives to get closer to a Big Ten feel on Saturday afternoons. Iowa will share the facility with the Wisconsin Badgers on an alternating year schedule.”</p>
<p>[university</a> of minnesota football stadium - Google Maps](<a href=“Google Maps”>Google Maps)</p>
<p>Have fun watching your Badgers play Austin Peay and San Jose State. Sure we will be getting our as* kicked by USC, but I would rather get pumped up over a big time game than get a nice comfortable win over some team I have never heard of. </p>
<p>This is from a kid who a month ago was 90% sure he was going to Madison last month. Now after hearing you and the pompous attitudes of other Wisconsin grads I’ve talked to in person, I feel I am pretty sure I am going to Carlson. I’m sure Wisconsin won’t miss my 32 ACT, they’ll just pull in some coastie with the same ACT or higher, but atleast I won’t have to deal with all the over-inflated egos and know-it-all liberal kooks.</p>
<p>BTW, glad to know that cheeseheads have so few arguments that they’ve resorted to quoting Iowans. Really? Iowa?<br>
(You know, Mankato State and St. Cloud State beat the Badgers in hockey this year- therefore obviously those schools have more school spirit and better athletics than Wisconsin. Everyone should go there!)</p>
<p>Barrons, do you want people to pick Madison or not? I’m thinkin’ not.</p>
<p>Like MNTwins said, the condescending attitute of some of the UW alumni and students on this site is kind of ridiculous. For instance, I got yelled at for remaining on the UW board after I got rejected, and another student is currently getting drilled to pieces by an alumni because they want to appeal a rejection. Even though I was denied from Madison, my interest in transferring there has gone down because of this crap. You may be loyal to your alma mater, but you’re representing it with your attitude.</p>
<p>MNT–obviously you do not have the sense of humor to go to UW. It was a funny quip that currently has a ring of truth. Probably why the edgy “Onion” was founded at UW while Uminn has the middle of the road “Prairie Home Companion.” as its claim to entertainment fame. Lighten up Francis. It’s all good. Personally I prefer a few more Coasties over any more people from the Twin Cities as UW gets more $$$$ from the Coasties and they can use it.</p>
<p>east coast ppl suck. I speak as one. and wow lets just end the argument already, we re gettin nowhere = /</p>
<p>Barrons, I thought your post was funny although I find it more funny that you couldn’t make something up yourself and had to quote someone from Iowa(!?!?!?!) of all places. </p>
<p>The point remains the same though that people like you and Wisc75 are doing more on here to drive potential students like me away from Wisconsin than you are getting top students to come. You probably aren’t harming the school because no one should base a decision off of a couple people on an internet forum, but you certainly aren’t helping either.</p>
<p>BTW, on a different note, doesn’t it seem that the U of M seems to attract more kids from Texas and Florida while UW seems to get tmore from the Northeast and California. Both seem to get about an equal number from Chicago.</p>
<p>I did not find the breakdown by state but I found this. Nearly 1700 Minn kids admitted to both UW and UM chose UW. Conversely of the Wisconsin kids also admitted to UM only about 220 chose UM over UW.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.irr.umn.edu/publications/updates/OIR_Updates_Series02_UMTC_Enrollment.pdf[/url]”>http://www.irr.umn.edu/publications/updates/OIR_Updates_Series02_UMTC_Enrollment.pdf</a></p>
<p>Institutions Enrolling UW–Madison Admits Who Did Not Enroll at UW–Madison Wisconsin Residents<br>
# Admits Enrolled Elsewhere Institutions Enrolling Wisconsin Resident Admits Who Did Not Enroll at UW–Madison<br>
Groups Targeted Under Plan 2008 African American 42 Marquette University (14%), UW–Milwaukee (14%), Milwaukee School of Engineering (7%), Mount Mary College (5%), UW–La Crosse (5%)<br>
Hispanic/Latino 39 Marquette University (21%), UW–La Crosse (13%), UW– Milwaukee (10%), University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (8%), UW–Whitewater (5%)<br>
American Indian 13 (Enrolled at 13 different institutions)<br>
Southeast Asian 24 UW–Eau Claire (25%), UW–Milwaukee (17%), Marquette University (8%), UW–Platteville (8%), UW Colleges (8%)<br>
Non-Targeted Groups Other Asian 58 Marquette University (10%), Northwestern University (9%), University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (9%), Washington University (9%), UW–La Crosse (7%), UW–Milwaukee (7%)<br>
White/Unknown 1,690 University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (12%), UW–La Crosse (9%), Marquette University (9%), UW–Eau Claire (5%)</p>
<p>Barrons, where exactly in that data does it state that only 220 kids chose the U over Madison?</p>
<p>If you look at white/Unkown 1690 is hows UMinn got 12% or about 200. The rest are much smaller numbers of minorities where UM averaged around 5%. of the just over a hundred.</p>
<p>BUT, after I got home (after a hard 12 hour day) I took another look at the reports and the UMINN data is not just Minn kids but All Accepted kids from everywhere so you can’t really draw too many conclusions as many of those were probably OOS kids including those from Wisconsin that applied to both. So in a nutshell never mind. If I can find the numbers for just Minn kids I’ll re-post it. Right now you just can’t compare the two without lots of assumptions.</p>
<p>So he basically admits he made those numbers up, what about the other ones? As for your facts and figures, UW may beat U of M in the statistics you give but I’m sure there are statistics of Carlson that beat UW Madison, I just really don’t care enough as you to bother to dig for them. My guess is that barrons does some analytical/algorithmic job then comes here to give his deductive arguments (all these damn statistics) in favor of Madison, while most kids base their final decisions, when it comes down to it, on their intuition, and the feel of the school, especially when comparing two top notch business schools that offer incredibly similar education and opportunities. Although I wouldn’t wish to be around UW students for four years, or at least the type I’ve experienced.</p>
<p>No, I did not make them up. One was for all admits (Uminn) and one just instate (UW). Still interesting how many UM admits chose Wisconsin over it. </p>
<p>Sure feel is a perfect thing to use. Just don’t claim it was based on anything else,. Carlson is fine–especially if you want to work in the area. UW has a wider recruitment base. Those are facts.</p>
<p>My son has been accepted to University of Wisconsin- Madison, University of Illinois ,Urbana, Illinois Institute of Technology (almost a full ride), University of Minnesota, College of Biological sciences,is wait-listed at University of Chicago, and is expecting final word on University of Illinois -Chicago GPPA (direct admissions to medical school from high School), and John Hopkins. </p>
<p>He intents to study Biochemistry as an undergraduate. Given the competitive nature of medical school admissions after having earned a bachelor’s degree,and our financial situation, GPPA appears to be his number one choice, if he makes it; otherwise based on the college of Biology Dean’s presentation, just last Monday, we feel that Minnesota is the best value given the innovative first year teaching of biology courses and the opportunity for undergraduate research opportunities. If someone has personal experience that suggests otherwise, we welcome your comments.</p>
<p>What university to attend is not all about name recognition. Spend some time and scrutinize the programs that you are interested in. Ask yourself the question, where will I develop and learn more as a student? </p>
<p>You will need the skills once you enter the workforce, know that no-one gives a hoot about where you went to school if you can’t deliver.</p>