Someone’s kid (forgot which poster) was accepted to 2nd choice - CLA but then notified recently that she got into Carlson. I think they called or e-mailed? It does happen.
Edit: @AnineC was the poster.
Great, thank you for the information! I’ll keep my fingers crossed! @AnineC can you tell me your daughter’s stats or if she did anything in addition for the consideration?
@tallgrass Thanks for the info. Tuition increases seem to be happening at other OOS schools as well.
@Banker1 - what other OOS schools are planning tuition increases beyond the expected 1-3%?
Hi @jpc763 I’ve only reviewed the difference in pricing for UW Madison which was probably my D top choice going in. Their website makes it clear the tuition amounts and for what year. They also list via drop down their prior tuition amounts and their tuition is going up at similar rate as UMN for OOS. I found this link as well: https://chancellor.wisc.edu/blog/proposed-tuition-increases-among-out-of-state-and-professional-school-students/
Here is UW pricing for upcoming year: $35K.
https://finaid.wisc.edu/undergraduate-cost.htm
I am not aware of any plans of increasing OOS tuition at UW by approximately 10% per year for the next 4 years. Additionally, UW does not offer merit aid to OOS students the same way UMN-TC does.
It will come down to numbers, as usual. UW is guaranteed $35K, plus the usual annual incremental increases. UMN-TC will start at $28K and end in 4 years at 36K. So, compared to UW, UMN-TC is still a better deal, even with projected 10% tuition increases.
My point was that for OOS families on the budget, UMN-TC with gold and national scholarships combined was often a better deal than IS flagship. Going forward, that will no longer be the case in most cases.
My tracker changed to say:
Your application is being very carefully considered. All of your required application materials have been received by the Office of Admissions and your application is being very carefully considered. Decisions are made based on a holistic review of each individual application, and will be sent to students on a rolling basis. Our decision timeline information is available here.
What does this mean? Will I get a decision soon?
Yes, probably tomorrow.
@tallgrass I remember a poster in autumn 2015 who said that UMN was comparable - or just a tad cheaper - for OOS (all-in, even w/o the national) than IS at UIUC for engineering (apparently there is a surcharge . . . ). This was a few months before the tuition increase plan was announced.
The way to think of these yearly increases is that they will be LARGER than comparable Big-10 institutions, until they are in the same range, at which point they will probably increase in line with those other institutions. UMN will be playing “catch-up” for the next few years.
JBStillFlying
I agree with you completely, I tried to make the same point actually. UMN was grossly under-priced for OOS students, result of a decision made in 2009 I believe. They are now correcting that by substantially raising OOS tuition rates to market level till 2020. I do not blame UMN one bit, they have every right to set their prices and policies any way they wish.
I am just trying to help other parents that do have limited budgets to not overlook this fact. If your kid is admitted to UMN, and you are OOS, you need to incorporate roughly $3K annual tuition increases into your calculations, starting this fall compared to current academic year. So roughly $27K, $30K, $33K, and $36K for the next 4 years, give or take. It may or may not work for your family budget in the end, but at least you are aware of it now and won’t be surprised when the bill arrives in the future.
@tallgrass - yeah, I think it was 2009 or 2008 or thereabouts. UMN kept the OOS tuition depressed and heavily promoted its brand name on the national market. Now that it’s a lot more recognized and selective, it’s time to raise the prices to be more in line with competitors (so the thinking goes . . . .).
There are still administrators very concerned about this increase and I know that the trustees backed off the increase originally projected last year. Because the school didn’t really suffer a financial impact, they claim they are going full steam ahead. While there might be a last-minute downward adjustment for next year’s tuition from expectations this June, I’d view that as gravy. Better to be pleasantly surprised than the other way.
A nuance to consider: since the U can’t seem to give a clear answer on whether they will freeze tuition increases (to a smaller amount) once you matriculate, it’s best not to assume that will happen. Nevertheless, the actual LACK of response is telling. My guess is that they don’t have a set policy on this (yet) one way or the other and might be taking it year by year and assessing things like retention, etc. Best to assume that their intention is NOT to freeze, but they will to some extent if they get actual negative pushback (i.e. freshman retention drop / transfer-out rates increase, etc.).
@JBStillFlying
Last year they were telling OOS freshmen that their future increases will be lower and NOT following the new tuition increases. They sent emails and made phone calls about it.
Apparently, they are not saying that this year so this might be changing. I wonder if they ll keep their promise to last years kids because that would be unfair. Of course they have the power to do whatever, just saying.
Yes, last spring (2016) we got that letter informing us of planned OOS tuition increases. The letter stated that the increases will be capped at a certain level ( don’t remember exact number, maybe 5%) only for currently enrolled students, implying the cap on annual OOS tuition increases will not apply to future students.
So the best reasonable assumption for perspective OOS students is not only to expect these annual increases, but also not knowing the exact amount until July before academic year starts.
@tallgrass
The emails that I am talking about were assuring incoming freshmen (2016-2017) of the same. There were several phone calls at my house encouraging my son to commit assuring him than last years increase will not be repeated for enrolled students and once enrolled his tuition increases will be capped.
So just to be clear:
If you are a current student who enrolled 2016-17 or earlier you WILL have your tuition increase capped. That’s because the announcement to increase was made in December 2015, smack in the middle of the admission cycle for 2016-17 matriculation. Those e-mails and phone calls sound like follow up to what the letter was saying about the matter.
HOWEVER - that cap does NOT seem to apply to any matriculations after 2016-17. Or at least they haven’t released information about it, and @Banker1’s question on the matter went unanswered. So, if you are matriculating in 2017-18 or afterwards, you will likely be subjected to significant tuition increases until UMN’s OOS numbers are closer to those of other Big 10 uni’s.
That’s the way I’m reading it, and if I were an OOS parent my projections would reflect the above information in the scenarios. You can play with the numbers (the increase will be 7%, 9%, 10%, . . ) but projecting a small 1-3% increase is probably too optimistic to be realistic.
Great discussion. Of course cost of attendance is a huge consideration during our selection process. And so is quality of education. What other factors other than the lower price support the idea that UMN OOS tuition is or has been vastly under-priced?
@JBStillFlying @am9799 @tallgrass and others - We reached out to One Stop again for clarity around any protection from future tuition hikes for students enrolling 2017 and were told that no protection would be offered. They said they like to keep tuition hikes to a minimum and that increases were common in higher ed. No mention of the planned 7-10% hikes for OOS tuition. They did confirm we wouldn’t know the actual amount for the next Fall until July each year.
Someone asked about how my daughter was notified she was accepted into Carlson. They called. We had no idea she had been wait listed. She was accepted on 2nd choice (CLA) for early decision. But nothing indicated she was on a waitlist too. She got a U of M scholarship when she got her financial letter. Notification Carlson specific scholarships come out later this month per the phone call we had with the U
And her stats
Lots of AP, Honors and PSEO classes
ACT 29
GPA 3.78 unweighted??
She got all the acceptance stuff for CLA not Carlson yet but waiting on a few decisions before she decides.
We are instate and it’s still an 18k gap that U of M is shoving into a parent loan. Really?? That is alot!
@Banker1 - if you look at other colleges in the Big 10 in compare UMN’s ranking to theirs in key areas you realize that UMN was underpriced. The idea that someone could graduate with a degree in chem. Eng. for $21,000 yearly tuition seems way out of wack. Same with bio. and Carlson.
CLA is another matter. I’ve been thinking about this and I think one thing that keeps the rankings of the school low on the USNews list is the high number of TA’s teaching courses in CLA (their largest college). They really need to do something about that. Hopefully with the increase in OOS tuition . . .