UNC implements new out of state tuition plan

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<p>Big News for Out of Staters from today's <daily tar="" heel=""></daily></p>

<p>The ongoing debate about increasing the percentage of out of state students got new life with this new tuition policy just implemented.</p>

<p>"Tuition policy gets green light
BY BRIAN HUDSON
UNIVERSITY EDITR
September 23, 2005 </p>

<p>The University’s Board of Trustees moved forward Thursday on a plan to allow out-of state students attending UNC-Chapel Hill on full scholarships to pay in-state tuition rates.</p>

<p>In a unanimous vote, the trustees deferred authority in implementing the campus’s tuition plan to Chancellor James Moeser.</p>

<p>The resolution further mandates that Moeser will report to the board annually about the students who would benefit from the program.</p>

<p>Opponents of the tuition policy say the provision could allow schools to circumvent the 18 percent cap on out-of-state student enrollment.</p>

<p>But Moeser emphasized that the University will not enroll fewer students from North Carolina.</p>

<p>“No North Carolinian will be turned away who otherwise would have been admitted to this University,” Moeser said during the meeting.</p>

<p>The nonresidents on full scholarship will be admitted in addition to the University’s generally admitted class.</p>

<p>Because the students will be an unforeseen addition to UNC-CH’s enrollment plan, care must be taken not to overburden the University, Moeser said.</p>

<p>“This is absolutely critical that we not outgrow our capacity,” Moeser said. “This will be careful growth.”</p>

<p>The trustees’ resolution was a reaction to a provision in the N.C. budget that allows UNC-system schools’ boards of trustees to reclassify full-scholarship nonresidents as residents.</p>

<p>UNC-CH tuition costs $3,205 for undergraduate residents and $17,003 for undergraduate nonresidents.</p>

<p>The resolution is only the first step in establishing the program, Moeser said, noting that finer points will come later.</p>

<p>Now that the groundwork is in place, enrollment officials will begin to hammer out those details.</p>

<p>Administrators now are charged with finding a funding source for the support the students will require.</p>

<p>Based on this year’s freshmen class, officials anticipate about 100 students will qualify for the program next year, said Jerry Lucido, vice provost for admissions and enrollment management.</p>

<p>The policy will aid programs such as Robertson and Morehead scholars, which have been threatened after several years of tuition increases.</p>

<p>As tuition rates increase, many scholarship foundations found they could provide for fewer and fewer students.</p>

<p>In-state tuition for all students with a free ride will counteract the recent trend.</p>

<p>Lucido said the provision will enable the University to devote attention and resources to two important areas: student aid and nonresident students.</p>

<p>“One, it expands our scholarship resources, and two, it allows us to bring in more out-of-state students.”</p>

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<p>"The University’s Board of Trustees moved forward Thursday on a plan to allow out-of state students attending UNC-Chapel Hill on full scholarships to pay in-state tuition rates."</p>

<p>If the students are on "full scholarships", doesn't that mean that they are already paying nothing?</p>

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<p>Perhaps this will allow the funding organization to send award more scholarships or to fund other expenses with the remaining funds.</p>

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<p>I agree with Sokkermom......I don't get it.</p>

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<p>Is it that you don't get what private funding is? What UNC is doing is allowing the funding institution to pay the instate fee.......pay less to the school. Students whom they award scholarships to could then increase in number.</p>

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<p>Yes that is correct but not really the salient point here. The impact of this decision is twofold:</p>

<p>The administration has wanted to increase the percentage of out of state students because they tend to be very strong academically and have historically become very involved and leaders on campus. They have also had some diffficulty matriculating some of the best admitted in-state students because of their perceived lack of diversity. The state legislature has denied them at every opportunity.They now have a vehicle for increasing the percentage of out of state students without having to worry about the 18 percent limit. This allows them to in a way circumvent the 18 percent cap.</p>

<p>Additionally, the Morehead and Robertson could choose to increase the number of out of state winners because of the lower financial cost per student or just use the differential to strenghten their coffers that have been hit hard by the rising tuition costs. The number of other full scholarships for out of staters can be increased because they can now effectively fund five + students for the previous cost of one.</p>

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<p>I do not understand. Are they still capping the # number of oos, or trying to increase the # of oos? Many oos would love to go if they could get in, why are they lowering tuition w such high demand and so few oos accepted?</p>

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<p>This makes me think that the oos non-scholarship kids are really getting a bad deal. If the University's "cost" to educate a student is really only $3200 in tuition fees, why would a non-scholarship out of state student have to pay $17,000 in tuition fees?</p>

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<p>If i understand correctly the state legislature supports the school via tax money. Out of state kids/parents don't pay taxes in that state.......how is that a BAD deal? What is amazing about this is that in order to take a higher quality candidate they are resorting to giving up the money of OOS which in many ways probably subsidizes the general fund. Apparently they are saying that the quality of In State candidates does not produce enough top scholars......or they are playing hardball with the legislature on the money issue. UNC is cutting off the overpay and forcing the legislature to vote more toward the budget in future years....very clever and gutsy.</p>

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<p>Of course, the university's cost isn't the in-state rate. The in-state rate is what it is because of tax support by residents (like us). So oos students at UNC aren't getting any worse a deal than oos students anywhere else.</p>

<p>(Sorry hazmat--we posted at the same time)</p>

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<p>I would think the questioning parents would be the NC ones who see the hand writing on the wall........tuition rise for everyone! The way I read this it is essentially the early warning sign.....get ready to see the double digits of an increase. I suppose the regular OOS census if increased can still offset but that is the impasse. The legislature wants to provide for the NC students while not funding the university generously. BTW UNC is not the only state school facing this dilemma. Many state schools are fighting w/ legislatures for funding.</p>

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<p>When I was in grad school at Carolina oos tuition was $385.00 per semester. Boy am I old.</p>

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<p>Hee, hee, when I was at Florida, it was $190/quarter. (That was undergrad, though--maybe it was around the same time.)</p>

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<p>sorry, eadad, but maybe I'm a little dense today.....I can easily see how it helps the private scholarship funders, since they now have more money to spread around. But, if the campus currently matriculates 18% from OOS, how is changing the pricing structure of a portion of those matriculants gonna change that 18% to 18+%? Or, are the Morehead and Robertson winners exempt from the 18% cap?</p>

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<p>IF the amount paid to support Scholars is lowered and Funding Institutes can award 2 or 3 times the scholars.......it raises the number of kids who come in with high credentials from out of state. I cannot tell you the number of scholars coming but for someone who knows you can then caclulate the increase.</p>

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<p>We also pay taxes in NC as we own property there. Unfortunately it is not a primary residence, so we can not benefit from in-state tuition. Ironically enough, my son applied EA as an OOS student because he was nominated for the Morehead from his school in New England. After his acceptance in January, he kept getting information about other merit aid and scholarships, and letters and emails addressed to "Dear Scholarship recipient". In the end, none of the $ came through! He was probably one of the OOS kids that could actually benefit from this change (I think), and an OOS student that UNC would love to have.<br>
(..And an OOS student whose family actually does support UNC by paying property taxes there!)</p>

<p>Oh well, he still goes to school in NC, but it's the OTHER school!!!</p>

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<p>Nothing wrong with that. :)</p>

<p>Will this change only affect incoming freshmen, or does it also apply to matriculated students?</p>

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<p>Well in the very least good for UNC-CH for keeping its OOS tuition relatively low - much cheaper than Michigan, UCs, etc.</p>

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<p>What organization(s) fund these scholarships? The university itself?</p>

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<p>No, they're privately funded scholarships (by the John Motley Morehead Foundation and an endowment made by Julian and Josie Robertson.)</p>

<p>I think it's probably just saying the oos kids' scholarships have been threatened because the foundations can't afford the funding to pay the oos rates...but now they can pay in-state rates for the scholarships.</p>