<p>Office</a> of Institutional Research and Assessment - First-Time Freshman Class Profile, Fall 2008</p>
<p>awesome! thanks for sharing!</p>
<p>That's a confidence boost!</p>
<p>that makes me feel better.
and did y'all see the kid with below an 800 from OOS?! Gosh. lucky kid. I bet his resume and essays were ridiculous</p>
<p>or he was an athlete</p>
<p>i thought the out of state sat numbers would be a little higher. but then again this is just those that matriculated, not all who were accepted</p>
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<p>i'm gonna guess that was either ed davis or tyler zeller hahah</p>
<p>There are a large number of OOS students who are recruited athletes. Since that pool is smaller that the instate pool, lower SATs have a greater mathematical impact on the average score.</p>
<p>As said in another post yesterday morning where I offered this link to the stats as well, for the average, non recruited athlete OOS applicant, the bar is still pretty high.</p>
<p>Throw out the bottom 25 % numbers and look to the upper end of the top 75% if you want to get a real estimation of where the bar will be especially for a female applicant since the student body ratio is so heavily skewed (58.9/41.1 female/male) and the competition for those spots among women is even more intense.</p>
<p>I'm not saying that the bar is significantly lower for male OOS students it's just that there are far more female applicants than male applicants in general right now so a borderline male applicant may get the nod over a similarly profiled female applicant is some cases.</p>
<p>...thanks to cc member pkrzystek for giving me the link.</p>
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<p>I read somewhere that Tyler Zeller graduated 3rd in his class...</p>
<p>thanks for the shout out jelabidin</p>
<p>no problem pkrzystek</p>
<p>Wow, average SAT below 1400.. that is very reassuring for an OOS. Not as impossible as it seems. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed with my 1310.. lol.</p>
<p>gathsquatch, don't worry about your sat, unc cares most about the essays and gpa anyway</p>
<p>pkrzystek and gathsquatch</p>
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<p>I'm not really sure where you got this information but SATs are a big part of the process that UNC uses for admission. While they don't use the prototypical SAT/GPA grid that many public schools do, they do use it as a type of barometer and soft cut off for applicants. Additionally as I have mentioned before, the "average" SAT score you are seeing also includes recruited athletes and URMs and since the OOS pool is smaller than the in state pool, the statistical impact of those lower grades and scores is far more significant.</p>
<p>A non URM, non recruited athlete still has a pretty high bar (well above the "average" you see) for admission and most certainly for any consideration of merit monies.</p>
<p>It is certainly true that essays are very important and that they pay more attention to them than many other peer schools but they can't make up for numbers that are far out of the range of "normal" accepted students unless there are mitigating circumstances.</p>
<p>I am only guessing this but with the current financial crisis and UNC's relative affordability for OOS students as well as being an absolute steal for in state students, I would bet that the increase in applications that has already been seen will be coupled with even higher profile applicants making the bar for admissions even more difficult than it has been in the past.</p>
<p>I don't wish to ruin anyone's day with this comment but I think it is important for everyone to be very realistic about the fact that an OOS UNC admit most years is as difficult as an admit to many Ivies and this year in particular may be even more difficult.</p>
<p>For those not applying EA don't take the application lightly and spend a great deal of time on your essays; they are the only way that the admissions team has to humanize the person behind the numbers. Make your essays stand out, make them want to read your essays to others (it does happen) and make them want to meet and get to know you....this is the best way for your application to go into the "accepted" pile.</p>
<p>I definitely agree with eadad. Almost everyone who applies out of state has great stats. The way to get the extra edge (after four years of hard work in high school which you can't really change) are the essays.</p>
<p>Take time. Do different drafts. Go over them with a teacher. Like eadad said, they really do remember an unusually good or enjoyable essay</p>
<p>Seriously. Essays are a huge part of consideration for merit scholarships. When I got a call to come down for scholarship day (even before I knew I got in, that was a little scary, haha) the man I spoke to actually remembered my essay complimented me on it.</p>
<p>All I could think was, "How many essays could that man have read?" </p>
<p>Any way, moral of the story is: Essays matter, especially at UNC.</p>
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<p>UNCgal has a great point; do the math...20,000 plus applicants and every application is read twice....40,000 reads. Two or three essays....80,000 at a minimum essays read....admissions staff is certainly under 20 people....a minimum of 4,000 essays per person!</p>
<p>Now do you understand why it is SO important to make your essays special and make them stand out?</p>
<p>When my son was in his Morehead interviews, one of the interviewers actually referred to him by calling him by something he said in one of his short essays and in every acceptance letter he received, even from Yale, the admissions rep hand wrote comments about how much they liked his essays.</p>
<p>Essays are really the ONLY thing an admissions rep has to see who you really are and they are able to humanize the person behind the numbers with your essays. When they have multiple apps that look exactly alike on paper, they are looking for differentiators and the essays are what fills that role.</p>
<p>PS; If appropriate to the essay, don't be afraid to use humor or make them laugh....seriously it does make the essay stand out.</p>
<p>eadad, gathsquatch has a 1310, if you're telling me that he/she can't get in just because he/she has a 1310, you're out of your mind. i'm not saying someone with a three part 1310 get in if they write good essays, but gathsquatch can definately get into carolina oos with a 1310/1600, a great gpa, and great essays.
and an admissions officer told me while i was visiting the school that the essays and gpa are more important to them than the sat.</p>
@eadad thats a nice theory you have going there, except there are other criteria that are looked at. I don’t care what the admin people say they look at standardized scores and OOS / not OOS for the tuition $$.
They’re soaking OOS for 33k vs. 8.3k for In-state. You trying to tell me with a straight face that they wouldn’t accept any OOS that has good scores? We’re declining. Partially due to the high OOS tuition, and largely because they use full-payer’s tuition to pay FA.
Wow jimkingwood, you dug deep to respond to a 7 year old post.