<p>Why don't you ask them to dinner next time?</p>
<p>warblersrule86 your facts are wrong or manipulated. collegeboard.com has the percentages as follows:</p>
<h1>Percent of men who join fraternities: 29%</h1>
<h1>Percent of women who join sororities: 42%</h1>
<p>those numbers are way higher than what duke has listed. maybe that's the stat for the number of minorities that go greek.</p>
<p>ahduke: Well, you can't just wait for people to ask you if you want to go somewhere with them. If you see your suitemates headed out to dinner, just invite yourself to join them. </p>
<p>The other option is that you and your roommate could have gone out for dinner together, without them.</p>
<p>I'll just speak for myself here, but just listening to you on this board-- have you ever considered that your obvious disdain for "in-state" students is felt by those around you (who, according to you, are all in-state)? I'm only hearing you "virtually," but if your attitude is anything like this in real life, as it appears here, there's a reason you might be having trouble meeting people. You are creating, and certainly helping to foster, a division among students here that is so unnecessary. Again, your attitude <em>might</em> just translate-- in real life-- as a combination of superiority and disgust, which might make others feel you really don't want to be with them at all.</p>
<p>That said, the old complaint about how everybody is in a frat but you . . . well, that just won't fly here anymore. You got a bid to be in a fraternity you liked; they liked you; you chose to defer that. </p>
<p>Lastly, lighten up, or else-- you might as well go get yourself some cheese to go with that whine. ;)</p>
<p>i'm basically using this board as a place to vent so it won't rub people the wrong way, but it's not like i'm interacting with anyone anyway. i have invited myself with my suite mates countless times already, but i'm not the type of person to impose on others. if after 2 weeks of eating with them that they still dont have the courtesy of asking, then i get the picture. i didnt see them leave. i knocked at 6:20 to see if they wanted to join me and my roommate for dinner and they were gone. i dont like forcing myself on other people, though, and if they dont want either of us around, then i'll quit asking.</p>
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warblersrule86 your facts are wrong or manipulated. collegeboard.com has the percentages as follows:</p>
<h1>Percent of men who join fraternities: 29%</h1>
<h1>Percent of women who join sororities: 42%
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<p>Just so you know, College Board gets its information from the Common Data Set, which Duke fills out. Unless you're claiming that Duke is stating two different sets of numbers, you'll notice that my numbers aren't wrong- simply outdated. </p>
<p>In any case, I don't see what difference it makes. Certainly the level of drinking at UNC is on par, if not above, that at Duke. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Aw, man, warblers, you were being so objective until you busted that one out (about the drinking). You and I both know that that's all speculation, and even if it were true, you've gotta present some data! I'll refrain from my own speculation and anecdotes.</p>
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Certainly the level of drinking at UNC is on par, if not above, that at Duke.
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<p>I don't think the comment is so much about drinking (only indirectly, I guess) as it is about the possibility that your social life might depend a lot more on Greek involvement (ie, frat parties). If that's what you want, then perfect. If not, then there's certainly more likelihood of that happening (dependence on the Greek scene for your social life) at a relatively small school, where the active Greek involvement is ~40% - 50%, than at a much larger school, where that direct involvement is closer to ~15%-17%. The school that has a smaller percentage of students who are Greek-affiliated (especially at a larger school, like UNC) will definitely offer more and broader options for what one can do socially.</p>
<p>Have to agree with cloying about your last sentence there, too.</p>
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Aw, man, warblers, you were being so objective until you busted that one out (about the drinking).
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Very well, I'll take it back. Especially since the alcohol</a> violation data definitely doesn't support my statement! :o</p>
<p>I didn't include a description of Davidson earlier, so...</p>
<p>Davidson is small (~1700 students) and located near a major city. The town of Davidson is also small, but students and residents get along pretty well (the women bake students cookies during exam week!). Davidson puts a huge emphasis on the Honor Code, and exams can be taken when and where you feel like it. Another example of this is the distribution of bikes around campus for students to use. The architecture is mostly brick (Georgian?) and very attractive, although I find the winding paths a bit annoying when trying to get somewhere. Food options are fairly plentiful, and a lot of Davidson students join eating clubs (not exactly the same as at Princeton). Students are very active in community service, performing arts, and athletics. Basketball is particularly popular. I've worked with professors in the Classics and Chemistry departments and was extremely impressed with both. The sciences, English, the arts, and anthropology are particularly strong.</p>
<p>warblers: Your link didn't seem to access the data suggested by its title. I can imagine it doesn't support your initial statement, though, which placed you on very thin ice. Too many anecdotal (and very well published) stories out there that do nothing to support it, either.</p>
<p>It's difficult to link directly to the data. If you look up a school, you go to the "arrests" page and then look for "liquor law violations." :)</p>
<p>Duke:
Disciplinary Actions/Judicial Referrals - On-Campus 2003 2004 2005
c. Liquor law violations 306 533 463 </p>
<p>UNC:
Disciplinary Actions/Judicial Referrals - On-Campus 2003 2004 2005
c. Liquor law violations 183 182 270 </p>
<p>So yeah, these numbers do nothing to support your earlier comment.</p>
<p>RLAJen07 - that's ON CAMPUS... And since drinking is wholly disallowed on UNC's campus - except</a> for private and invitation only parties at some public buildings - methinks that is a bit of comparing apples to oranges. I'm not trying to argue Warblers' now-retracted point, just trying to say that those statistics are [Disraelian[/url</a>]. The Herald-Sun had an [url=<a href="http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-880887.cfm%5Darticle%5B/url">http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-880887.cfm]article[/url</a>] about ALE raids, for instance, that listed the citation rate for Duke, UNC, and NCSU.</p>
<p>Regarding Greek %ages - Duke's [url=<a href="http://greek.studentaffairs.duke.edu/faqs/faq_entries/percentage.html%5DOffice">http://greek.studentaffairs.duke.edu/faqs/faq_entries/percentage.html]Office</a> of Fraternity and Sorority Life](<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics%5DDisraelian%5B/url">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics) lists:
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More than 40 percent of Duke women and nearly 30 percent of Duke men participate in one of the 38 recognized chapters here at Duke. In total, around 37 percent of Duke students are Greek affiliated.
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Of course, Duke's sororities are entirely non-residential, so that may have something to do with the higher number of women who join (sororities can be proportionally larger and the women who join are not saddled with living at what could be a sub-standard house). Similarly, while many of the fraternities do have sections of dorms, they do not have fraternity houses of the kind found at some other schools.</p>
<p>UNC Chapel Hill's Office</a> of Fraternity and Sorority Life states that there are 2400 people in Greek organizations, or around 14%.</p>
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those numbers are way higher than what duke has listed. maybe that's the stat for the number of minorities that go greek.
My guess with the stats on the Trinity</a> page is that they listed the percentages of ALL students (so, 15% of all students join a fraternity and 22% of all students join a sorority) and then blew it by stating it was %age of a particular gender. I have an e-mail in the the Dean of Fraternity and Sorority Life to get that fixed.</p>
<p>The fact that UNC doesn't allow on-campus drinking doesn't remove the fact that Duke has nearly twice the amount of on-campus infractions (cited above) in comparsion. That's a lot for a much smaller school-- nearly 1/3 the size of UNC-- in undergraduate population. Also, the very fact that open drinking is allowed on Duke's campus has always seemed questionable to me. I assume all private universities allow this (?), but I've never understood it, since half the undergraduate students who attend would presumably be underage.</p>
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The fact that UNC doesn't allow on-campus drinking doesn't remove the fact that Duke has nearly twice the amount of on-campus infractions (cited above) in comparsion.
Indeed, it does not remove the fact, and I would never argue that it does. However, it may add some nuance that is important for a fair and balanced discussion of the schools listed by the OP.</p>
<p>Again, I have never understood why any university would allow open drinking on-campus, since half the undergraduate students would presumably be underage.</p>
<p>Perhaps private universities choose to take advantage of their ability to allow their above-aged students to more fully participate in the rights given them by the state and the nation?</p>
<p>That's possible, but one can't differentiate who is under-age and who is of age, unless you check their ID. Consequently, by allowing open drinking on campuses, a university is essentially helping enable under-age students to break the law. I doubt there are "campus monitors" who check student ID's when they see people walking around drinking, or walking around with open cans of beer.</p>
<p>For those of age, it's easy enough to go off-campus and walk into a restaurant or bar and buy a drink, or walk into a liquor store and make a purchase. They can easily and "more fully participate in the rights given them by the state and the nation" in that way, which removes the related issues w/regard to those under-age students.</p>
<p>how about davidson to this list of comparison? I heard it was a good private school, but how does it compare to unc, wake forest, and duke? Is there chance for full or almost full merit or need scholarship?</p>
<p>Davidson is a great school. See post #28.</p>