UNCA or App State? Stuck in a rut of indecision; all helping hands are welcome!

<p>For as far back as I can remember, I dreamed of attending either UNC at Asheville or Appalachian State University. Yet now time has crept up on me, and as a senior in high school, I only have a few months (after the rigorous process of college apps is done and over with, oh man) to decide between them. </p>

<p>I think I'm interested in pursuing a major related to 1) ANTHROPOLOGY (specializing in animal behavior), 2) Biology/Ecology, Evolution and Environmental Biology, or 3) some similar branch relating to Wildlife Biology. I also have a passion for English (creative writing and journalism alike), but feel I could easily incorporate writing into wildlife research later on down the road; might select it as a minor. Studying abroad in Africa or South America for a unique glimpse at foreign wildlife is also a goal. hffjhgkjd, excited jitters</p>

<p>Wrapping this up, App State is stunning, but Asheville seems to have innumerably more opportunities for wildlife interning/volunteering. Yes, there has to be one or two animal shelters near campus, but UNCA is home to programs such as the WNC (I've heard they're working to relocate red wolves into the wild). Can anyone confirm this???</p>

<p>Plus, Asheville is a combination of wild mountain terrain and a thriving downtown music scene, while Boone's just a small--albeit beautiful-- college town.</p>

<p>I guess UNCA's winning thus far, but there's a...catch. A terrifying, career-threatening catch. App simply seems to have the stronger curriculum, or at least their website gives me more insight on the majors. I'm not sure whether I'm right on that note, but I'm scared to take the plunge with Asheville only to find they don't have the academic programs I want. HELP. </p>

<p>*Even if you know little about those specific programs, I'd love to hear anything you know about the academics in general.</p>

<p>Thanks to anyone who responds!</p>

<p>Asheville seems more suited for you socially and academically. It’s definitely more left leaning than app though. Personally I view it as a better school for liberal arts degrees.</p>

<p>And, of course, just as I finish reading your post my dad knocks with my mail, an App State pamphlet on top, ahaha.
But really, thanks so much for that, I’m excited to hear it about Asheville. They both have very left-sided reputations and I was in the dark as to which had a more solid liberal arts curriculum.</p>

<p>I’m not sure what the appeal of App State is. From reading your post, it just seems like it has better scenery. Going by that, I would think UNC-A would have the better academics.</p>

<p>But why don’t you simply apply to both now and see whichever one fits your financial needs better? That can be pretty important too.</p>

<p>UNCA would be my pick of the two. Good luck in admissions!</p>

<p>I may be a bit biased as my son is at App but I think App is more desirable. I think it has a better reputation than UNC-Asheville overall. I love the town of Boone and have yet to find a student that didn’t love their time at Appalachian. If I could go back to college (haha) I would absolutely choose Appalachian. Maybe you need to visit both places again - good luck!</p>

<p>UNC-Asheville hands down, no question haha
better academics and while people love App State, Asheville is a great town as well!</p>

<p>My son is a senior down here in Mississippi, and his top two college choices are App State and UNCA. After campus visits, he is leaning strongly toward App. I like both schools, but they are very different. App has over 16,000 students, offers numerous majors/minors, is located in a remote (and very beautiful) mountain town, has a traditional campus, is football crazy (gameday Saturdays are really fun), and has loads of student organizations/club sports. My son wants to major in physics, and it is his undertanding that App graduated more physics majors than NC State last year. He met a couple of App’s physics professors and liked them very much. He’s leaning toward App due to the physics program, his love of colder weather (and it IS cold in Boone), his desire to participate in club swimming, and the general “vibe” of the place. </p>

<p>UNCA has 3600 students (something I like), is the designated liberal arts college in the NC system, has a less traditional, but interesting, campus, offers fewer majors/minor, seems to have a more rigorous core curriculum (including foreign language), does not allow freshmen to have cars, is located very near downtown Asheville (extremely cool), has a liberal-leaning student body (which is attractive to my son), and is less sports focused (no football but they really support basketball). While App gets mixed reviews here and on other college websites, UNCA receives uniformly solid, if not outstanding, remarks. </p>

<p>Entering freshmen at both App and UNCA have average ACT scores of 26. My sense is that it is more difficult to be accepted at App, but not by much. The average GPA of entering freshmen at App is 3.92. I don’t know what it is at UNCA. Both schools are suffering the effects of deep budget cuts in the NC university system. </p>

<p>You can get a solid education at both schools, and I will be pleased if my son winds up at either one. Visit both, talk to professors, chat with current students, and study the websites. Good luck!</p>

<p>All of these responses are incredibly helpful; I was hesitant at first to post in a forum because I wasn’t sure how much of an audience I would draw. I’m learning so much more about the culture, atmosphere, and the curriculum of both universities–you guys are just AWESOME.</p>

<p>I’ve spent a couple of summers teaching at App, and my sister goes to UNCA. A few thoughts:</p>

<p>Size – UNCA is a great size. It’s one of the few public LACs in the country, and classes tend to be quite small (25 or fewer students). Unfortunately, UNCA is a fair bit larger than most LACs (e.g. twice the size of Davidson), and it can be extremely difficult to get into the classes you need if you’re in a popular major. My sister is a junior and still hasn’t been able to take the required introductory sequence for her major! App is larger and has the advantage of more courses, but it is also a good bit less personal. </p>

<p>Academics – The two schools have different strengths. UNCA has historically been strong in the humanities, while App is great for education, the sciences, music, and a few other areas. I think you can get an excellent education at either, and I agree with your assessment that App offers the better fit academically while UNCA offers more opportunities outside the classroom.</p>

<p>Curriculum – UNCA has the most extensive curriculum requirements of any school I’ve seen (except St. John’s). It has several different components to its core curriculum and distribution requirements, and fulfilling them is made more difficult by the inability to “double dip” and fulfill several different requirements with one class, as most schools allow one to do. While it is possible to graduate in four years with careful planning, adding a minor or second major almost certainly necessitates an extra semester or year, and UNCA’s four year graduation rate is correspondingly quite low. App also has distribution requirements, but they are not as extensive. </p>

<p>Facilities and campus – UNCA wins overall, and most of their facilities are reasonably nice. App has spent a great deal of money renovating its dorms and academic facilities, however, and all of the new buildings are absolutely fantastic. The student union is the best in NC I’ve seen, and the new library is on par with Wake’s and the UL at UNC for comfort and beauty (though not holdings). I personally like App’s campus a little better because I think it’s laid out better, but there’s no question that UNCA’s campus has much better landscaping; there’s gardens and swings everywhere. The UNCA botanic gardens are arguably the best of any college in NC after Duke and Davidson. </p>

<p>Housing – The honors dorms at App are much nicer than any of the dorms at UNCA; I’m not familiar with the regular dorms. Off-campus housing at UNCA, however, is much nicer, though definitely more expensive. </p>

<p>Food – UNCA has better on campus dining. The dining hall and the food options in the student union are great. I’d give Boone the nod over Asheville for off-campus dining, however; food options in Asheville are plentiful and good…but often expensive. Boone has a good mix of food options that are both decent and affordable. </p>

<p>Diversity and student body – Both schools are almost entirely white. I rarely see more than one or two URMs when I visit UNCA, and App isn’t much better, though its larger size makes it appear more diverse. UNCA definitely has a sizable gay population; App is less friendly toward LGBT students. Both schools draw heavily from Appalachia and have a strong conservative element in their student bodies, though UNCA does tend to be somewhat more liberal. </p>

<p>Location – Boone is much smaller than Asheville, and it shows. The university dominates the town, and everyone gets decked out in Mountaineer gear on football days. UNCA is a noticeable element of Asheville but does not dominate it to nearly the same degree. Getting around Asheville is most efficient with the use of a car (or that of a friend’s), though it is definitely possible to get around using the bus (free for UNCA students). Boone, on the other hand, is easily walkable; something useful since parking in downtown Boone is a nightmare. King Street near campus is a smaller but funkier version of Franklin in Chapel Hill, and there’s lots of bars, eating joints, a public library, groceries, etc. within easy walking distance. Downtown Asheville has a lot more art galleries and stores, though I am not sure college students would take advantage of them. You’re correct that Asheville definitely has the better music scene; only students at Chapel Hill with their access to Cat’s Cradle and perhaps students at UNCC have better music options in the UNC system. Boone is more conveniently located near the Blue Ridge Parkway, but UNCA is located closer to the Smokies and thus in a more pristine section of woodland. Skiing is easily doable in Boone or Blowing Rock in the winter, less so in Asheville. </p>

<p>Student leanings – clejarin is correct about the sports focus at App; football is huge on campus, and the stadium is just a short walk from the dorms. UNCA is rather apathetic toward sports, although my sister (a sports fan) does like the basketball team. One noticeable difference between the two is Greek life. Neither school is predominantly composed of Greek students, but the social scene at App revolves around Greek life much more than at UNCA. The latter has two sororities and until recently only one fraternity, so Greek organizations are definitely careful about shenanigans lest one of them be disbanded, which would virtually destroy the already small Greek scene. The other major difference is substance abuse. Alcohol abuse at App is fairly substantial due to various different factors (remoteness, athletic focus, mostly white), though it’s definitely not as bad as the worst UNC school in this regard (Western Carolina). Binge drinking is less common at UNCA, but you have a great deal more marijuana use, as well as other drugs to a lesser extent. </p>

<p>Have you considered Warren Wilson? It’s not nearly as conveniently located in Asheville as UNCA, but in many ways it offers a very good experience. It’s a small school but extremely strong in its areas of emphasis, and the school - like the College of the Atlantic, Prescott College, and a few others - lives and breathes environmental science. Facilities are astonishingly nice and new, and the student body has an intensely hippie feel to it that may appeal to some and turn others off. As a Work College, financial aid is generally fairly good. Creative writing at Warren Wilson is one of the best programs in the country; James Franco commuted from NYC to take classes there.</p>

<p>warblesrule, why is the graduation rate at UNC-A so low? </p>

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<p>I did not look up App State to compare btw.</p>

<p>Editing, because it is more the 4 year graduation rate than the 6 year, that seems so low.</p>

<p>^
I think it’s a combination of two factors. In order of importance:

[ul][<em>]Difficulty getting into the classes they need
[</em>]Difficulty graduating in four years with a minor (unknown percentage) or second major (~10% of students) given the complex graduation requirements[/ul]</p>

<p>I think it’s somewhat telling that students transferring in from community college have a much higher four-year graduation rate than those who began at UNCA as freshmen. I think such students were more likely to have been able to get into the lower-level courses they need for graduation, whereas those classes fill quickly at UNCA.</p>

<p>You see a similar disparity between the four and six-year graduation rates at App as well. Why that is, I’m not sure. It may have something to do with App having several five-year programs.</p>

<p>warblersrule, thank you for readdressing the reasons for the low 4 year graduation rate.</p>