Undergrad grades vs. LSAT score?

<p>Does anyone find my assessments completely or consistently inaccurate? If so, I won't advise again.</p>

<p>Wildflower, I'm not claiming to predict one's chances into a school. I am just comparing one's stats with the relative stats of top law schools. Based on the criteria, I insert my opinion of one's chances--not indicating complete admission or rejection.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.law.yale.edu/outside/html/Admissions/admis-jdoverview.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.law.yale.edu/outside/html/Admissions/admis-jdoverview.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>nspeds: I feel sorry for you. Really --end of discussion.</p>

<p>"Actually, a lot of the assessments on this forum are quite accurate."</p>

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<li>And that is claim is based on..? I mean, I know we are all experts on LS admissions --but, besides that. </li>
</ul>

<p>"Saying 'you have a shot at Yale' is different from saying 'you are going to be admitted'."</p>

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<li>Anybody can say "you have a shot a Yale." Yet, the claim does not have any validity. </li>
</ul>

<p>"As an ostensibly well-read person on law school admissions data, did you not scrutinize the chart on Yale's website? A cursory glance would have yielded the same conclusion as akafizzle's." </p>

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<li>I never claimed to be an ostensibly well-read person on LS admissions data; you made such claim --thank you.</li>
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<p>By the way, a cursory glance would have also given the impression that admission to Yale LS is EXTREMELY competitive, and that many highly qualified applicants, or "shoe-ins", do NOT get in.</p>

<p>"This, however, assumes you can read. I am not sure as to the verity of that assumption."</p>

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<li>I wish they offered maturity 101 in college. I really do.</li>
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<p>"'I really wonder how many times Yale has taken your opinion into account when deciding the incoming class.' </p>

<p>'If you call that a proof, then you are in need of disabuse.'"</p>

<p>-Can you proof that they have? I was merely wondering. However, I think the answer is pretty clear. If not, please, prove me wrong.</p>

<p>"No. I corrected your statements, which were misleading. "</p>

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<li>No, they were not.</li>
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<p>"Your correcting of 'effect' made no contribution, either, especially since the poster's use of 'affect' was correct, and you merely exposed yourself as a wiseacre."</p>

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<li>Re-read the elements of style.</li>
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<p>"'Ps. If something really offended you, send me a PM and we can talk it over.'</p>

<p>'I cannot be offended by intellectual inferiors.'"</p>

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<li>You are either really funny, or a really sad person. I really mean it. </li>
</ul>

<p>By the way, did anybody ever teach you courtesy? That sort of statement is quite blunt and disrespectful. And while I don't foresee us crossing paths, it seems to me that you forgot you sent me your picture a couple months ago...what was the reason again? </p>

<p>"I truly hope the school to which you transfer teaches you a good lesson in logic. While I may need a course on maturity, you are in desperate need of one on reasoning."</p>

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<li>I am glad we agree on the maturity issue.</li>
</ul>

<p>You know, I predicted this sort of childish behavior from you part a few posts ago. From now on, I guess I just have to do what I said I would: ignore your stupidity.</p>

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- And that is claim is based on..? I mean, I know we are all experts on LS admissions --but, besides that.

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<p>Try reading around the forums and, yourself, making an assessment. I posted the Yale chart, did you read it?</p>

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- Anybody can say "you have a shot a Yale." Yet, the claim does not have any validity.

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<p>1) Claims cannot be valid or invalid, they can be sound and unsound. That is the first step in your disabuse.
2) And no, the claim is significant. Though there may be many cases where one does have a shot, there are clear cases where one does not.</p>

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-Can you proof that they have?

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<p>It is 'prove'.</p>

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I was merely wondering. However, I think the answer is pretty clear. If not, please, prove me wrong.

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<p>I do not need to prove you wrong, for your argument is fallacious. I need not bother explaining why it is so patently fallacious, I thought you were smart enough to at least figure it out on your own.</p>

<p>Apparently you cannot.</p>

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- You are either really funny, or a really sad person. I really mean it.

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<p><em>yawn</em></p>

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By the way, did anybody ever teach you courtesy? That sort of statement is quite blunt and disrespectful.

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<p>It matters not. I find your posts, overall, to be disrespectful. My reason is because of this statement:</p>

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- And that is claim is based on..? I mean, I know we are all experts on LS admissions --but, besides that.

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<p>The bottom-line is that we are not, but you act as such.</p>

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- I never claimed to be an ostensibly well-read person on LS admissions data; you made such claim --thank you.

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<p>Okay, so you are not well-read in the least. I am fine with that claim, as well.</p>

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- I wish they offered maturity 101 in college. I really do.

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<p>You have been making insults as well...</p>

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You know, I predicted this sort of childish behavior from you part a few posts ago. From now on, I guess I just have to do what I said I would: ignore your stupidity.

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<p>Proceed, little one. </p>

<p>I do not care whether you ignore, insult, or continue to post rubbish. I am here to help other posters. Akafizzle's post was perfectly fine, and your criticism was misplaced. Any criticism I seem to render is subjected to ad hominem abuse, while the person who is abusing me is accusing me of maturity issues.</p>

<p>There as no formalized proof, your argument is fallacious, and I actually provided some evidence to substantiate my claim: the Yale Chart. You can make educated choices from that chart. Most posters do render accurate opinions about what one's chances are; that is why there is a 'What is your chances?' forum: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>In addition, how does one decide to apply to Yale, at any rate? The assess their chances, not so much as to whether they are a shoo-in, but as to whether it is even worth applying. This ostensibly simple concept is much to complex for you.</p>

<p>Law school, since it is so numbers-oriented, is even more predictable. While Yale itself does not admit solely from numbers, usings numbers as a predictor of 'who has a shot' is not irrational; if you analyze the chart above, you can determine whether it is, indeed, rational to apply. </p>

<p>I cannot believe this requires explanation, but I can expect no better from inferiors:</p>

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You know, I predicted this sort of childish behavior from you part a few posts ago. From now on, I guess I just have to do what I said I would: ignore your stupidity.

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<p>And this is the problem, your post is in itself a childish one. It is so patently obvious that not even Strunk and White will save you.</p>

<p>Please take that logic course.</p>

<p>Everyone, please tone down the finger-pointing and name-calling. You can attack ideas, not people.</p>

<p>CD</p>

<p>That's it, next poster to continue the digression will get a timeout!</p>

<p>CD</p>

<p>Back to the question in the OP (as well as mine), I found on the LSDAS website a list of admissions index formulas. Look under My Docs>Transcripts>Admission Index. I don't think I can direct-link it. Anyway, the coefficients will give you a better idea how much weight the listed schools give to LSAT vs. GPA.</p>

<p>Now here's another question:</p>

<p>Do they take into account the difficulty of your university when looking at your GPA? Some universities are more competitive and more difficult than others, and it'd seem unfair to treat applicants the same quantitatively.</p>

<p>IlluminatusCU, can you post the direct link--- i cant find it anywhere</p>

<p>so what do they want us to write about on our personal s?????</p>

<p>Try this:
<a href="https://os.lsac.org/release/MyDocuments/mydocs_AdmissionIndex.aspx%5B/url%5D"&gt;https://os.lsac.org/release/MyDocuments/mydocs_AdmissionIndex.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>You might have to log into LSDAS first.</p>

<p>thanks illuminatusCU</p>

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<p>Honestly, there's no right answer. Barring highly controversial topics (don't talk about doing drugs or gambling in Vegas), choose whatever topic will inspire you to write the most interesting and compelling short essay. My Yale 250-word essay was a satire about pie crust. You can truly write about anything as long as you do it well.</p>

<p>Few topics are more interesting and compelling than pie crust.</p>

<p>You don't risk associations of being flakey?</p>

<p><em>rimshot</em> . . .</p>

<p>so writing about why I want to become a lawyer
or about my passion for cars would be the same??
as long as it is well writen??</p>

<p>what about a touching story about my flucked up chieldhood for the extra simpathy points???</p>

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<p>Could be. My point is that (barring a few impossible topics), the topic is not a good predictor of whether an essay is going to be an asset to an application. Yes, it's a challenge to take an essay about cars or something and use it to make a law school want you. But at the same time, how many different reasons do you think there are for wanting to be a lawyer? How many dozens of times per season do you think the typical admissions officer has to slog through what looks like the same essay he read an hour ago? "Safe" topics have their pitfalls, too.</p>