Undergrad. Major Rankings Questions

<p>Hi, can anyone please give me some sites or books which ranks undergrad majors (chemistry/biochemistry) in colleges? I already looked at usnews and it only has engineering/business rankings...does anyone know where to find underg rankings for the above?
also does anyone know any site or book to find the acceptance rate of grad schools from various undergrad schools? </p>

<p>if you guys are unable to do the above can you please do the following for me:
rank undergrad chemistry major:
ucb, ucla, ucsd, usc, northwestern, john hopkins</p>

<p>also please rank undergrad biochem major:
ucb, ucla, ucsd, usc, northwestern, john hopkins</p>

<p>albeit what i asked above may take a bit of time for u guys...please try your best to answer the above...i'm sure alot of people r wondering about the same thing
thankyou for your time and opinion =D</p>

<p>Don't get too concerned about department rankings. For undergrad, the overall school is more important than the department.</p>

<p>Also, undergrad rankings would be too difficult to make because there are too many factors:
1. Quality of education
2. Quality of facilities
3. Research Opportunities
4. Employment opportunities
5. Faculty accessibility
6. Graduate school feeding</p>

<p>Gourman Report ranking for undergraduate biochemistry</p>

<p>Biochem from Gourman
Harvard
MIT
UC Berkeley
Wisconsin
Yale
UCLA
Cornell
UC San Diego
U Chicago
U Illinois
Columbia
U Michigan
U Penn
UC Davis
Brandeis
Northwestern
Princeton
U Iowa
Michigan State
Rice
Case Western
Purdue West Lafayette
Oregon State
NYU
U Oregon
Rutgers New Brunswick
SUNY Stony Brook
U Texas Austin
Iowa State
UC Riverside
Penn State University park
USC</p>

<p>Gourman Report undergrad chemistry ranking:
Caltech
UC Berkeley
Harvard
MIT
Columbia
Stanford
Illimois Urbana Champaign
U Chicago
UCLA
Wisconsin Madison
Cornell
Northwestern
Princeton
Yale
Purdue
UNC Chapel Hill
Ohio State
Texas Austin
Iowa State
Indiana Bloomington
UC San Diego
Minnesota
Notre Dame
Penn State
Brown
U Rochester
Carnegie Mellon
U Penn
Rice
Michigan Ann Arbor
U Washington
Colorado Boulder
Texas A&M
USC
U Pittsburgh
U Florida
UC Riverside
dartmouth
UC Santa Barbara
UC Irvine
Johns Hopkins
UC Davis
U Utah
U Oregon
Duke
Michigan State
RPI
UVA
Florida State
Vanderbilt
Case Western
u Iowa
Georgia Tech</p>

<p>Rugg’s Recommendations – LACs for chemistry</p>

<p>Amherst
Barnard
Bates
Bowdoin
Bryn Mawr
Bucknell
Carleton
Centre
Colgate
Davidson
Drew
Franklin and Marshall
Grinnell
Hamilton
Harvey Mudd
Haverford
Kalamazoo
Kenyon
Lafayette
Lawrence
Mount Holyoke
New College
Oberlin
Occidental
Pomona
Reed
St Olaf
Trinity (TX)
Union
Wellesley
Wheaton
Whitman
Willamette
Williams</p>

<p>Rugg’s Recommendations – biochemistry LACs</p>

<p>Barnard
Bowdoin
SUNY Geneseo
Mount Holyoke
Swarthmore</p>

<p>I see you are from CA. Are you going to major in Chemistry/Biochemistry? Berkeley has a fabulous, scary good science depts (especially Chemistry). If you are set for majoring in chemistry/biochemistry and becoming scientist/MD/researcher, I can’t think of any other school that gives you most bang for the buck than Berkeley!!!</p>

<p>surprsingly, connecticut college has a small, but fantastic chem department and BCMB (Biochemistry, Cellular, and Molecular Biology)
just check out where some of the recent alumni have ended up: <a href="http://www.conncoll.edu/academics/departments/chemistry/alumni.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.conncoll.edu/academics/departments/chemistry/alumni.html&lt;/a> (doesnt say about last year, but i know yet another alum who is now at yale for her phd, and another at uc-san fran, one of the top grad schools for science, for her phd). because its a small department at a small school, there are ample opportunities for all students ot work directly with profs on their own independent research profs. <a href="http://www.conncoll.edu/academics/departments/chemistry/research.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.conncoll.edu/academics/departments/chemistry/research.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Go to the best school you get into, departmental rankings for the top 15-20 schools is irrelevant. You're seriously kidding yourself if you think because Berkeley has a good grad dept in chemistry that this will lead to a better med school or grad program than say Amherst, which has no ranked program but an incredibly strong undergrad reputation.</p>

<p>You're certainly correct, slipper, althought you should know that like engineering, the reputation for chem at Berkeley is for both graduate and undergraduate level, not just the graduate level. For placement (and definitely average GPA wise), a place like Amherst would probably help someone more than Berkeley. It's hard to beat the top LACs for placement per capita.</p>

<p>Northwestern's chem is ranked #9 in graduate ranking. This alone doesn't necessarily mean its undergrad program is great but the following suggests it should be pretty good:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2006/02/gates.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2006/02/gates.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>2 of the 4 recipents of Gates Scholarships (only 40 were selected in the nation) were chemistry majors. They were accepted by Cambridge before they were allowed to accept Gates.</p>

<p>I agree DRab, engineering is one exception to this rule (along with film, accounting, etc.)</p>

<p>I think you have to take into account the quality of the particular program as well as the overall quality. For example, Georgetown and Emory are comparable overall but Emory had 50 chemistry graduates in 2005 while Georgetown had only 4. Oberlin and Williams are comparable overall but Williams had 22 chemistry graduates in 2005 while Oberlin had only 2.</p>

<p>Right on^^ you don’t want to go to a school notable for graduating 2 chemistry major students a year!!!! LOL….. Yeah undergraduate focus & small class size is one thing, but for a technical major like chemistry, the breadth and depth of dept does matter even for a undergrad!!! Let’s not kid ourselves</p>

<p>For those interested in later earning a PhD, here are the top 10 institutions in the nation ranked by percentage of graduates who go on to earn a PhD in chemistry:</p>

<p>Harvey Mudd
Reed
CalTech
Wabash
Carleton
Grinnell
College of Wooster
Kalamazoo
Texas Lutheran
Bowdoin</p>

<p>Okay... good/useful data set. I just hope Texas Lutheran has more than 2 chemistry major graduates this year ...... o no ;)</p>

<p>Texas Lutheran BA/BS graduates earned 18 chemistry PhDs between 1986 and 1995, or about two per year. There is newer HEDS data but I think it's not (yet) public. I can't find how many chemistry BS/BA graduates TLU produces.</p>

<p>Here's a slightly longer version, courtesy of interesteddad...</p>

<p>Here are the top-50 undergrad schools in per capita PhD and Doctoral production from 1994-2003. Rank, followed by name, followed by number of PhDs per 1000 undergrads. This covers all PhDs and doctoral degrees included in the NSF data base. </p>

<p>Per Capita Undergrad Production of PhDs and Doctoral Degrees </p>

<p>Academic field: Chemistry </p>

<p>PhDs and Doctoral Degrees: 1994 to 2003 from NSF database </p>

<p>Enrollment from 2004 USNews </p>

<p>Formula: PhDs divided by undergrad enrollment times 1000 </p>

<p>1 Harvey Mudd College 100
2 California Institute of Technology 42
3 Wabash College 38
4 Reed College 30
5 Carleton College 30
6 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 27
7 Bowdoin College 26
8 Grinnell College 24
9 Haverford College 24
10 Franklin and Marshall College 22
11 College of Wooster 22
12 Bryn Mawr College 19
13 Allegheny College 18
14 College of William and Mary 18
15 Texas Lutheran University 18
16 Furman University 17
17 University of Minnesota - Morris 17
18 Knox College 17
19 Occidental College 17
20 University of Chicago 16
21 Bates College 15
22 Rice University 15
23 Juniata College 15
24 Kalamazoo College 15
25 Williams College 15
26 Swarthmore College 15
27 Oberlin College 15
28 College of the Holy Cross 14
29 St Olaf College 14
30 Hendrix College 14
31 Andrews University 14
32 Hope College 14
33 Trinity University 13
34 Lawrence University 13
35 Harvard University 12
36 Davidson College 12
37 Ursinus College 12
38 Kenyon College 12
39 Macalester College 12
40 Centre College 11
41 Wellesley College 11
42 Wheaton College (Wheaton, IL) 11
43 University of Richmond 11
44 Colgate University 10
45 St John's University (Collegeville, MN) 10
46 Ripon College 10
47 Drew University 10
48 Willamette University 10
49 Beloit College 10
50 Augustana College (Rock Island, IL) 9
51 Hiram College 9
52 Lake Forest College 9
53 Gustavus Adolphus College 9
54 Dartmouth College 9
55 Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology 9
56 Albion College 9
57 Amherst College 9
58 Worcester Polytechnic Institute 9
59 Hamline University 9
60 Bethel College (North Newton, KS) 9</p>

<p>Note 1: Some have complained that these lists don't provide useful data. Proposed Solution: ignore the lists. </p>

<p>Note 2: Some have complained that these lists don't include Law, MBA, MD, or Masters degrees. Proposed Solution: find the data and make your own list. </p>

<p>Note 3: Some have complained that I should go school by school and selectively remove engineering from one school or music from another, but leave them for still others. Proposed Solution: Be my guest.</p>

<p>Keep in mind the list makes LACs look good only because LACs are usually tiny. Any department is proportionally larger in LACs. This whole PhDs/1000 undergrad is simply silly. If they are really smart about it, they should just have, say, PhDs/per 100 BSs in chemistry. Even with that, it says nothing about what PhD programs people get into.</p>

<p>"PhDs/per 100 BSs in chemistry"</p>

<p>I think we all wish this data were available! It would indeed be a better indicator.</p>