<p>Is there a ranking/list of universities/LAC (undergrad) by graduates admitted in medical school. Similarly a ranking of undergrad majors for medical school admission. </p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>I would love to see that list too. I know that Loren Pope has information about admissions in his first book “Looking Beyond the Ivy League.” He had a list of colleges that most had never heard of with high medical school admission rates. I suspect the information exists but isn’t readily available since the numbers at some schools wouldn’t measure up to their reputations.</p>
<p>there are a couple of obstacles to pulling that information together:
- Some schools have premed advising that serves a gatekeeping service - they won’t advise people they don’t think have a good shot at getting in, keeping their acceptance rates artificially high.
- Many students actually apply to medical school in the year or two <em>after</em> they graduate. Consequently, it may not be realistic to look only at the rate of graduating seniors going directly to med school. This is particularly true at liberal arts colleges where students from non-traditional majors will take a postbac year to complete prereqs or study for MCAT.
- “Medical school” turns out to be broader than you think. Allopathic accept rates are available to schools through a med school admissions council. Osteopathic accept rates I’m not sure about. And then there are a myriad of related courses of study: vet, pa, pharm, etc.
- A lot of schools share their accept information, but in so many different formats and with different assumptions and different time frames that it makes comparisons difficult.</p>
<p>*Is there a ranking/list of universities/LAC (undergrad) by graduates admitted in medical school. *</p>
<p>This is meaningless info. First of all, schools can’t report really accurate that info since they often have no idea of who gets accepted after doing a “glide year” or more.</p>
<p>Also, schools start out with X premeds…but only about 1/4 X ever apply to med school. Schools heavily weed their pre-meds thru the pre-med pre-reqs.</p>
<p>Lastly, the school isn’t “getting you in” to med school…YOU are. Your grades, your MCAT, and your ECs.</p>
<p>The top private schools do very little screening of premeds and anyone can get a committee recommendation who wishes to seek one. There are students who start out as premeds at the beginning of college but get weeded out naturally after taking the science prereqs but that happens everywhere.</p>
<p>For example, Duke provides a detailed table with GPA/MCAT information,
<a href=“http://prehealth.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/Table-1-Acceptance-patterns-20092.pdf[/url]”>http://prehealth.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/Table-1-Acceptance-patterns-20092.pdf</a></p>
<p>As you can see, 27 graduating seniors applied with a sub 2.8 GPA from Duke and the school included them in calculating the medical school acceptance rate. For those with a BCPM GPA over a 3.4 at Duke, the acceptance rate is north of 90% and similarly if you have a 33 or higher on the MCAT, the acceptance rate is 86% for Duke seniors regardless of GPA. What’s perhaps even more impressive is that Duke seniors with a BPCM GPA between 2.8 and 3.0 still had over a 50% acceptance rate into medical schools.</p>
<p>I’m not sure what other schools provide charts like this though.</p>
<p>What’s perhaps even more impressive is that Duke seniors with a BPCM GPA between 2.8 and 3.0 still had over a 50% acceptance rate into medical schools.</p>
<p>I don’t know if that’s impressive or not. There’s too much unknown. We don’t know how many of those students had “slow starts” - lowish grades frosh year, and then “picked things up” and/or had much higher cum GPAs. We don’t know how many are URMs (I suspect a good number are.) We don’t know if any of them are hooked. There are 12/22 kids who were accepted to at least one med school with a 2.8 - 3.0 BCMP GPA. </p>
<p>That said, the school had about 284 apply to US med schools. Who knows how many started as pre-med frosh year.</p>
<p>Just go where you want to go. That seems to be the general consensus.</p>
<p>Note too that the stats say nothing about US medical schools. Those with low GPAs or MCATs can avail themselves of the medical schools in the Caribbean, which advertise heavily to those who take the MCAT. It’s an option of course, but most people assume incorrectly that `medical school’ means US medical schools. </p>
<p>If you were admitted with a 2.8 GPA, I would assume you had a really non-traditional background (ie, you are an adult returning to medical school after a highly successful career in another field and this GPA is 10+ years old), or you are attending medical school outside the country or you have such an exceptional life history that the school decided you were unique in an important way. </p>
<p>It’s very risky to admit anyone to a US med school with a 2.8. They are unlikely to be able to manage the academic pressure. No school wants a potential drop-out because they can’t be easily replaced with a transfer student.</p>
<p>Good point that it doesn’t mention whether the students were accepted to US MD or DO schools or wherever. </p>
<p>It is risky to admit lowish GPA students without good reason…rocky start in college, some medical setback that hurt GPA, returned to school and “got serious,” etc.</p>
<p>The average, unhooked, non-URM that went 4 straight years of undergrad, and then applies with a sub 3.5 GPA is going to have a tougher time getting accepted to a US MD med school.</p>
<p>As pointed out, such a list would be meaningless since any school that wants can get to the top end simply by screening. The OP is likely unaware that many schools (seldom large publics, but very common among privates) offer something called the “committee letter” which summarizes the student. Some schools make no bones about labeling their weaker students as “recommended with reservation” or “not recommended” and any student told of that would be a fool to apply since they won’t get in anywhere. Consequently these schools have impressive stats in rankings like the OP looks for, which is their exact purpose in doing so.</p>
<p>If the OP wants to get a better understanding of how to prepare for med school there is an excellent guide online at <a href=“http://www3.amherst.edu/~sageorge/guide2.html[/url]”>http://www3.amherst.edu/~sageorge/guide2.html</a></p>
<p>*The OP is likely unaware that many schools (seldom large publics, but very common among privates) offer something called the “committee letter” which summarizes the student. *</p>
<p>I don’t know how “seldom” it is that lg publics do committee letters. My son’s big flagship does do Committee Letters. I know that the UCs don’t do them, but I’ve seen a number of state schools that do.</p>
<p>Alright, some of the skepticism here is unwarranted.</p>
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The Duke chart only includes the BPCM GPA which is a GPA calculated from Biology, Chemistry, Physics and Mathematics courses taken in college and not the overall GPA which is usually higher in most students’ cases.</p>
<p>That being said, getting a 2.8 in these core science classes at Duke is different from getting a 2.8 GPA at Southwest Missouri State. A B/B- average in these prereqs at a top 10-15 school will probably put you out of the running for the top 20 medical schools in the country but coupled with a strong MCAT score and LORs, a successful medical school application cycle is still possible since medical schools know how rigorous these undergraduate programs are.</p>
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This is simply not true in all cases. I’ve known plenty of classmates at my alma mater who not only got into medical schools but even top 25 ones with cumulative GPAs between 3.3 and 3.5. I know three very well who are at UNC, Case Western and Northwestern right as we speak. They all had strong MCAT scores, solid research experience, good leadership and glowing LORs. </p>
<p>The key is to go to a university with respected academics, bountiful research opportunities in healthcare, good advising, an established hospital system, grade inflation and a non-cutthroat learning environment</p>
<p>Examples of good places to be a premed: Brown, Dartmouth, Duke, Yale, Harvard and Stanford</p>
<p>Examples of bad places to be a premed: Princeton, MIT, Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan and UT-Austin</p>
<p>Here’s the data from the AAMC: <a href=“https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/157998/mcat-gpa-grid-by-selected-race-ethnicity.html[/url]”>https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/157998/mcat-gpa-grid-by-selected-race-ethnicity.html</a></p>
<p>If, for example, you are white, know that 500 people with GPAs below 3.0 have been admitted to a US medical school in the past three years. That’s not zero. But I’m betting that these individuals have something special going on.</p>
<p>*
Examples of bad places to be a premed: Princeton, MIT, Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan and UT-Austin *</p>
<p>What the heck? Why is it “bad” to go to UT or UMich or the others as a pre-med. </p>
<p>*Originally Posted by mom2collegekids</p>
<h1>The average, unhooked, non-URM that went 4 straight years of undergrad, and then applies with a sub 3.5 GPA is going to have a tougher time getting accepted to a US MD med school.</h1>
<p>This is simply not true in all cases. *</p>
<p>Who the heck said in “all” cases. You need to understand what it means when a person has a “tougher time.” Having a tougher time doesn’t mean zero acceptances in all cases.</p>
<p>The AAMC chart includes GPAs up to 3.59…so higher than a sub 3.5 GPA, but when you have a sub 3.5 GPA, you’re unhooked, and White, you’re going to be facing an acceptance rate of around 50% or less unless you have a 33+ MCAT.</p>
<p>If you have a 3.39 (almost a 3.4), you’re not a URM, and you have a 30-32 MCAT, you have only a 40% chance of acceptance to one US MD med school.</p>